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Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: ajb95
Date: November 8, 2018, 4:21 am
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--- Quote from: QuoCob link ---
>
> Regarding the decision, it is an excellent example to up and
coming officials that it doesn't matter how far behind the quick
break you are, get yourself as wide as possible to give you that
better angle for such a challenge. He remained linear,
therefore didn't give himself that opportunity.
>
--- End Quote ---
But there was an assistant on the far side and an AAR in the
penalty area who could have helped out! If AAR are to be used
then they need to start DOING SOMETHING!!
It’s decisions like this that will get an untested, rushed VAR
through who will ultimately make the decisions and all referees
will be robotic or redundant!
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Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: bmb
Date: November 8, 2018, 6:24 am
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I'm gutted for him. He has been having a great season,
including in Europe. He is still one of the best referees in
Europe, as his merit marks so far this season have reflected
before last night, but that was an absolute howler. To a degree
I can understand it from his viewpoint, the Shakatar defender
does kick out literally a second before Sterling goes to ground,
and his mind has filled in the rest. It's when you see the side
view that he did not have, that you can really see the defender
is 2 feet away and even bmb with her girly driving could have
driven a double decker bus through the gap. From the behind view
that he had, that gap is not so easy to judge. He needed help
from his AAR that didn't come, as kelxref has already pointed
out, Tamás supported the decision, when they show the replay
from just a bit towards the corner from Tamás, you can see him
speaking over the comms and he points his baton towards the
penalty spot, so he has let Viktor down there, imo. Thereagain
his view looked to be partially obscured by the goalie who was
outstretched on the floor by then. I haven't seen any reply
that shows the angle/view that György had or whether he was in a
better position to help. I'm pretty sure György would have been
yelling "nem büntetőrúgás" down the comms if he had a good
view. György is one of the best ARs going and has always been
the most reliable member of Viktor's team.
It would have been nice if Sterling had owned up at the time
instead of apologising to the ref and opposition in his
interview after. He did not dive, it was not a deliberate act
in going down but in my mind by not owning up at the time &
saying ref I tripped up he never touched me, it then becomes an
attempt to deceive the referee. He knew that should not have
been a pen. Whether Viktor would have reversed the decision or
not I don't know but the scope is there for him to change it
before the ball is back in play. Fair play to Pep for at least
saying to the 4th official straight away that Sterling had
tripped & I thought he was absolute class in his post match
interview when discussing it. I'm not sure what the allowance is
for a 4th official to step in and say to the ref, you've ballsed
up there mate, reverse the decision and give a drop ball -
certainly VAR would have given him that option.
He did at least get the other 3 penalty shouts spot on! Changed
his accuracy rate on the big calls from 100% wrong to 75%
correct/25% wrong! Like I say I am absolutely gutted for him,
he's been superb this season so far and I was so desperate for
him to carry on that form. I hope this doesn't knock his
confidence too much. For me he is still one of the best and most
reliable (more often than not) refs out there.
My final word on the matter - we all know about my absolute
obsessive hatred of yellow. It is of no coincidence in bmb's
mind that the very first time he has worn yellow this season he
made his very first KMI error... Perhaps now Mr K will finally
believe me that it is a vile and very evil colour and should
never be worn! Domestically he has worn black in every game bar
one, when he wore blue, in Saudi he wore orange in one game, red
in the other, in Europe/International games he has worn black &
maybe blue once as well - zero errors. All big calls correct
including in one domestic game where there were a total of 12
huge calls - 2 red cards, a goal disallowed, a pen given,
another pen shout correctly not given - they were mostly against
my team as well, we lost and were reduced to 9 men but it was an
absolute masterclass ref performance - he wore black! There is
an analysis of that game here if anyone is interested:
HTML http://www.hungarianfootball.com/2018/07/26/ujpest-v-mtk-a-look-at-the-big-calls/!<br
/>I've not quite forgiven him yet for sending off my main man
Branko, correct decision or not, mind! Currently I am certainly
not in the mood to be forgiving of the vile yellow shirt last
night! Take my advice Mr K and burn it!!
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Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: bmb
Date: November 8, 2018, 6:46 am
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--- Quote from: dave26 link ---
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> I think Bmb will at the brandy and somewhat distraught or she
will be giving Viktir the elbow lol
>
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I'm on the palinká - it'll look a bit better after a few more of
them! He's damn lucky he has such a cute smile!
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Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: November 8, 2018, 7:25 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=QuoCob link=topic=283.msg2328#msg2328
date=1541668944]
> Regarding the decision, it is an excellent example to up and
coming officials that it doesn't matter how far behind the quick
break you are, get yourself as wide as possible to give you that
better angle for such a challenge. He remained linear,
therefore didn't give himself that opportunity.
>
--- End Quote ---
But there was an assistant on the far side and an AAR in the
penalty area who could have helped out! If AAR are to be used
then they need to start DOING SOMETHING!!
It’s decisions like this that will get an untested, rushed VAR
through who will ultimately make the decisions and all referees
will be robotic or redundant!
[/quote]
You are confusing my comment by applying it to this incident, I
am applying it to up and coming 'grassroots' officials as a
learning message.
#Post#: 2336--------------------------------------------------
Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: November 8, 2018, 11:17 am
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What kind of mark would Kassai get from the observer for making
such a dreadful error?
#Post#: 2337--------------------------------------------------
Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: rustyref
Date: November 8, 2018, 11:25 am
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> What kind of mark would Kassai get from the observer for
making such a dreadful error?
>
--- End Quote ---
7.9, assuming that was his only incorrect KMI in the game.
#Post#: 2338--------------------------------------------------
Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: Boz
Date: November 8, 2018, 1:02 pm
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While I would have preferred Sterling to try and alert Mr Kassai
to the mistake in awarding a penalty, I also accept
Microscopist's points that the typical modern player wouldn't do
so and VAR could have rectified things here. Also recall Robbie
Fowler telling a referee (Mr Elleray?) a penalty he'd awarded
against Arsenal was wrong, but the official didn't change his
mind.
#Post#: 2339--------------------------------------------------
Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: bmb
Date: November 8, 2018, 2:00 pm
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
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> [quote author=dave26 link=topic=283.msg2317#msg2317
date=1541631406]
> I think Bmb will at the brandy and somewhat distraught or she
will be giving Viktir the elbow lol
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm on the palinká - it'll look a bit better after a few more of
them! He's damn lucky he has such a cute smile!
[/quote]
Turkish ref in the Vidi game was kinda cute, albeit a bit young!
Mr K needs to up his game - less yellow & more smiles or his top
totty spot might also be in jeopardy!
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Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: Wollongong Ref
Date: November 8, 2018, 4:50 pm
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As a MUFC fan (please do not throw things at me) can I throw
something into the mix to defend the City player..... In that
split second of kicking the turf would he have known? or would
his instinctive response been to think he was tripped/ tackled
from behind and there for that is why he fell over?
As for the referee.... clearly no width. This has become the
default position for referees around the world. While it works
generally well, when it goes wrong it goes very wrong.
Has the amount of refereeing over the last 15 years taken a toll
mentally and in terms of fatigue. We see in Australia our top
referees burn out well before their retirement age
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Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: robbie_scouse
Date: November 9, 2018, 2:11 am
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--- Quote from: Boz link ---
>
> Also recall Robbie Fowler telling a referee (Mr Elleray?) a
penalty he'd awarded against Arsenal was wrong, but the official
didn't change his mind.
>
--- End Quote ---
It was the late Gerald Ashby who gave the penalty and, as you
say, refused to change his mind in spite of Robbie Fowler's
protests. Fowler took, and missed, the subsequent spot kick,
although Jason McAteer (IIRC) netted the rebound.
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