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Re: L PROBERT - Cardiff v Leicester
DIR By: robbieg
Date: November 3, 2018, 6:02 pm
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………….and yet the Leicester City manager has said the players are
professionals and the referees should also be professional and
on that basis there is no case to answer whether or not Mr
Probert was right or wrong to book Gray.
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Re: L PROBERT - Cardiff v Leicester
DIR By: Mackem ref
Date: November 4, 2018, 1:35 am
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Quote: Out of interest, I looked back at the thread on the old
forum regarding the Billy Sharp caution and it was interesting
to say you had gained more respect for the referee for showing
that referees were human -
HTML https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ratetheref/doncaster-vs-middlesbrough-t6255.html
I appreciate the point you make, but this incident was 7 years
ago. At that time, I was 18 and just about to start Uni. Now, I
have spent the last 5 years in a working environment where
everything you do is scrutinised and questioned. Consistency is
crucial and that is why, in this instance, my opinions have
changed based upon my life experience.
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Re: L PROBERT - Cardiff v Leicester
DIR By: reflector
Date: November 4, 2018, 1:53 am
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I have sympathy for Probert here because he was in a no win
situation. I am sure 99% of the population would agree that the
right thing to do would have been to turn a blind eye but we are
talking about the FA here and they have rarely been noted for
adopting the commonsense appoach to very much, if indeed
anything. Authority figures (such as teachers, police officers
etc) who are able to use a little discretion are all the
stronger for that rather than just blindly 'obeying orders,'
even when they know what they are doing is technically right
but morally wrong.
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Re: L PROBERT - Cardiff v Leicester
DIR By: guest18
Date: November 4, 2018, 3:37 am
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As has been said, none of us know if Probert was given specific
instructions, which I doubt, to caution in such an event. Also
none of us know if he had adverse feedback when he failed to
caution Cahill following the Muamba incident.
Just another thought! Was his decision influenced by Gray not
just by removing his shirt but then aggravating the action by
throwing it to the ground?
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Re: L PROBERT - Cardiff v Leicester
DIR By: Game of Throw Ins
Date: November 4, 2018, 3:43 am
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Have to admit my first thought was that Probert could have
turned a blind eye under these exceptional circumstances but
then I thought what if the player had committed a yellow card
offence later in the game. That would have meant he would have
remained on the field when, by the letter of the law, Leicester
should have been down to ten men which would have been unfair to
Cardiff for whom every point is vital.
I've never understood why under normal circumstances players
remove their shirts to celebrate a goal, hardly a natural
reaction, but then again I don't really see why it is
particularly seen as an incitement to fans of the opposition.
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Re: L PROBERT - Cardiff v Leicester
DIR By: rustyref
Date: November 4, 2018, 4:52 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> I suspect this was discussed at the Ivory Towers & he was told
to book even in the circumstances. Yes it's emotive and yes it
would have been a lovely gesture for him to turn a blind eye but
then 5 mins later it's back to slating the refs saying they
can't pick & choose which Laws to apply and they must be
consistent - so which is it? They can pick & choose when we
think it's worthy of them doing so but can't when we don't? What
if a different player had lifted his shirt with a tribute to his
family who had died in the Indonesian plane crash - should he
have been booked or not? How about if one had "lest we forget &
a big poppy" - booking yes or no? Where does it stop? Who gets
to decide which messages are ok and that the LOTG can be ignored
for those and which can't? A referee should never be made to
feel wrong for correctly applying the LOTG no matter how emotive
the circumstances.
>
--- End Quote ---
Completely agree, I am sure that this will have been discussed
as it was almost inevitable this would happen unless Leicester
didn't manage to score.
You can't blame Lee here, the look on his face shows how much he
didn't want to do it but he really hasn't got a choice. Say he
doesn't caution Gray and he then goes on to commit a cautionable
offence - he should be off and that would make the original
decision not to caution an incorrect key match decision. Or he
doesn't caution Gray and then a Cardiff player jumps into the
crowd after scoring, and picks up his second caution in doing
so.
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Re: L PROBERT - Cardiff v Leicester
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: November 4, 2018, 5:41 am
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Every Leicester player had the same message on their
undergarments ready for whoever scored. This must/should have
been discussed within the Ivory Towers, Leicester City and the
team of officials prior game. If not, someone should be
explaining why not or conversely why Lee Probert is now being
'hung out to dry' in the media's eye
What would have happened if all eleven players had removed their
shirts in a joint celebration?
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Re: L PROBERT - Cardiff v Leicester
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 4, 2018, 6:52 am
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--- Quote from: QuoCob link ---
>
> Every Leicester player had the same message on their
undergarments ready for whoever scored. This must/should have
been discussed within the Ivory Towers, Leicester City and the
team of officials prior game. If not, someone should be
explaining why not or conversely why Lee Probert is now being
'hung out to dry' in the media's eye
> What would have happened if all eleven players had removed
their shirts in a joint celebration?
>
--- End Quote ---
Presumably only the one who scored would have been cautioned?
The offence is not shirt removal per se but overcelebrating
scoring a goal?
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Re: L PROBERT - Cardiff v Leicester
DIR By: RCG
Date: November 4, 2018, 7:03 am
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Fair play to the manager who vindicated the decision after the
game. "We are professional and expect the referees to be the
same" (paraphrased)
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Re: L PROBERT - Cardiff v Leicester
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: November 4, 2018, 9:12 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=271.msg2138#msg2138
date=1541272388]
> I suspect this was discussed at the Ivory Towers & he was told
to book even in the circumstances. Yes it's emotive and yes it
would have been a lovely gesture for him to turn a blind eye but
then 5 mins later it's back to slating the refs saying they
can't pick & choose which Laws to apply and they must be
consistent - so which is it? They can pick & choose when we
think it's worthy of them doing so but can't when we don't? What
if a different player had lifted his shirt with a tribute to his
family who had died in the Indonesian plane crash - should he
have been booked or not? How about if one had "lest we forget &
a big poppy" - booking yes or no? Where does it stop? Who gets
to decide which messages are ok and that the LOTG can be ignored
for those and which can't? A referee should never be made to
feel wrong for correctly applying the LOTG no matter how emotive
the circumstances.
>
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Completely agree, I am sure that this will have been discussed
as it was almost inevitable this would happen unless Leicester
didn't manage to score.
You can't blame Lee here, the look on his face shows how much he
didn't want to do it but he really hasn't got a choice. Say he
doesn't caution Gray and he then goes on to commit a cautionable
offence - he should be off and that would make the original
decision not to caution an incorrect key match decision. Or he
doesn't caution Gray and then a Cardiff player jumps into the
crowd after scoring, and picks up his second caution in doing
so.
[/quote]
Mark Halsey says on twitter that he understands this was not
discussed pre-match, although he believes that it should have
been.
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