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Referees and their assistants from Wales in the 1979/80 UEFA Cup
DIR By: stepan
Date: July 7, 2021, 6:52 am
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Clive Thomas (Treorchy)
19.03.1980
Clive Thomas - Keith A. Cooper (Pontypridd) and Howard W. King
(Merthyr Tydfil).
Ron Bridges (Deeside)
12.12.1979 Zbrojovka Brno - Standard Liège 3:2
Ron Bridges - Barry Davies (Ruthin) and Hugh E. Bishop.
Gwyn Owen (Isle of Anglesey)
03.10.1979 Viking FK - Bor. Mönchengladbach 1:1
Gwyn Owen - A.J. Phillips and G.M. McManus.
Edward Gerald Morgan (Merthyr Tydfil)
04.10.1979 Alki Larnaca - Dinamo Bucureşti 0:9
Edward Gerald Morgan - Clive Thomas (Treorchy) and Walter T.
Williams.
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Re: Referees and their assistants from Wales in the 1979/80 UEFA
Cup
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: July 7, 2021, 7:57 am
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Clive Thomas (Clive was from Porthcawl, Glamorgan at this time)
19.03.1980 Lokomotiv Sofia - VfB Stuttgart 0:1
Clive Thomas - Keith Cooper (Pontypridd, Glamorgan) and Howard
William King (Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan).
(note that the Keith Cooper from Pontypridd did not have a
middle initial
and that there was a Keith Arthur Cooper from Swindon who
started officiating in the F.L. at this time too)
Ronald "Ron" Bridges (Deeside, Clwyd)
12.12.1979 Zbrojovka Brno - Standard Liège 3:2
Ron Bridges - Barry Davies (Ruthin, Clwyd) and Hugh E. Bishop
(Tonypandy, Glamorgan)
Gwyn Pierce Owen (Pentraeth, Beaumaris, Isle of Anglesey)
03.10.1979 Viking FK - Bor. Mönchengladbach 1:1
Gwyn Owen - A.J. Phillips (Newport, Gwent) and George Michael
"Mike" McManus (Connah's Quay, Clwyd)
Edward Gerald Morgan (Merthyr Tydfil)
04.10.1979 Alki Larnaca - Dinamo Bucureşti 0:9
Edward Gerald Morgan - Clive Thomas (Porthcawl) and Walter T.
Williams (Cardiff, Glamorgan)
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Re: Referees and their assistants from Wales in the 1979/80 UEFA
Cup
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: July 7, 2021, 10:17 am
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A bit odd if Clive Thomas was on the line to Edward Morgan at
Alki Larnaca in 1979, given that Thomas was a FIFA ref and
Morgan never made it on to the FL refs list. Should it not be
the other way around? Keith Cooper was/is the father of
Swansea's current head coach Steve Cooper.
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Re: Referees and their assistants from Wales in the 1979/80 UEFA
Cup
DIR By: Left Field
Date: July 8, 2021, 5:37 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> A bit odd if Clive Thomas was on the line to Edward Morgan at
Alki Larnaca in 1979, given that Thomas was a FIFA ref and
Morgan never made it on to the FL refs list. Should it not be
the other way around? Keith Cooper was/is the father of
Swansea's current head coach Steve Cooper.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree it seems strange. Given Clive Thomas's seniority he
wouldn't have been a likely choice as referee for this kind of
game but it wouldn't have been surprising for it to go to one of
the other Welsh officials who was a Football League referee. The
listing may be correct though and they may have felt that it
would be useful to have someone of Clive's experience to assist
an official who wasn't a Football League referee, perhaps not
unlike the way a very experienced referee may be used as fourth
official to a new ref these days.
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Re: Referees and their assistants from Wales in the 1979/80 UEFA
Cup
DIR By: Leggy
Date: July 8, 2021, 5:53 am
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--- Quote from: Left Field link ---
>
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=2660.msg34632#msg34632
date=1625671070]
> A bit odd if Clive Thomas was on the line to Edward Morgan at
Alki Larnaca in 1979, given that Thomas was a FIFA ref and
Morgan never made it on to the FL refs list. Should it not be
the other way around? Keith Cooper was/is the father of
Swansea's current head coach Steve Cooper.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree it seems strange. Given Clive Thomas's seniority he
wouldn't have been a likely choice as referee for this kind of
game but it wouldn't have been surprising for it to go to one of
the other Welsh officials who was a Football League referee. The
listing may be correct though and they may have felt that it
would be useful to have someone of Clive's experience to assist
an official who wasn't a Football League referee, perhaps not
unlike the way a very experienced referee may be used as fourth
official to a new ref these days.
[/quote]
This was in the days before specialist Assistant Referees
(Linesmen) and it was the case that the senior linesman would
take over if the referee took injured. There were some awful
examples of high level referees trying to act as linesmen when
it was clear they had not done so in anger for years.
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