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#Post#: 34499--------------------------------------------------
Additional Time
DIR By: justalino
Date: July 5, 2021, 3:16 am
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It was interesting to see Felix Brych play absolutely no
additional time at the end of the 2nd half in the Ukraine v
England game, despite there being three goals, a triple
substitution (possibly other subs, I was a few beers deep by
this point!) so realistically there probably should have been 3
or so minutes.
I'd be interested to get people's thoughts on this. The outcome
of the game was clearly not in doubt so was this sensible
refereeing to put Ukraine out of their misery? Or does it
question the integrity of the competition along with potential
implications for betting markets?
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Re: Additional Time
DIR By: robbieg
Date: July 5, 2021, 5:04 am
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Personally as a fan I would prefer a full complement of injury
time to be played even if my team was on the back of a heavy
defeat. It in my opinion is all about the integrity and
transparency of the game as a whole.
At least one other goal could have been scored during that
period which in itself may nor affect the result but would maybe
mean the world to a player scoring his first ever international
goal.
Maybe a player could make his international debut There were
three Ukraninans waiting to come on during injury time.Not
going to change the world at all but it adds to the game itself.
Dr Byrch is undoubtedly one of THE best referees in the world
but my feeling is he let the game down a bit on Saturday night.
Just an opinion.
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Re: Additional Time
DIR By: Welshexref
Date: July 5, 2021, 5:06 am
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I was surprised too. I accept it had no issue on the game but
would have thought an assessor might have had something to say
on the matter.
I only did it once in 20 years with the whistle and that was on
a 16 - 0 park game on a very wet day!
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Re: Additional Time
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: July 5, 2021, 5:10 pm
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On a very few occasions when there was a particularly heavy
score line in favour of one team I would, as the 90 minutes was
coming to its conclusion, ask both Captains whether they wanted
added on time. If both said no then I would add about 30 seconds
before blowing for the end of the match. If either or both said
yes then I would play the added time I had already computed
whilst erring very much on the shorter interpretation.
#Post#: 34559--------------------------------------------------
Re: Additional Time
DIR By: RefObserver
Date: July 6, 2021, 1:36 am
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I think one issue with this is betting. There are markets on
virtually everything these days. I'm not sure if that includes
subs (that were about to be made) but certainly on corners,
goals, correct score and more. I am sure there were people
needing something to happen in added time for a win. For that
alone, I believe any referee at that level has a responsibility
to play any added time due.
#Post#: 34560--------------------------------------------------
Re: Additional Time
DIR By: RCG
Date: July 6, 2021, 2:09 am
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I refereed a cup match which was over by about 70 minutes,
nothing much had happened but we did have 6 subs and a number of
goals. I played a very short 2 minutes.
After game the winning manager asked to see me. He requested
that I pay his and his players bonus as they had missed clubs
highest score by 1 goal, which could have been achieved in the
remaining correct added time.
After that I always tried to play right amount
#Post#: 34563--------------------------------------------------
Re: Additional Time
DIR By: anje-roo
Date: July 6, 2021, 2:43 am
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Off the top of my head, thinking about the other professional
sports in which I have an interest of some sort, I cannot think
of one where it is not obvious to all spectators (be they at the
game or watching remotely) what the amount of playing time left
is. Rugby (union & league), Aussie Rules, American Football,
Hockey - there are probably others such as water polo & combat
sports such as boxing. Football is about the only sport I can
think of where there's no more than a vague estimation signalled
by the FO. If you're participating in a professional sport, you
observe the laws/rules to the absolute letter. That Dr Brych is
immediately appointed to another KO game immediately after such
a blatant dereliction of duty just about sums up UEFA's lip
service to managing the tournament professionally. On the other
hand, UEFA obviously doesn't regard the majority of its elite
referees as sufficiently elite to handle SPAITA. Fingers crossed
that the remaining 3 games in Euro 2020 are remembered for the
right reasons.
#Post#: 34567--------------------------------------------------
Re: Additional Time
DIR By: ARF
Date: July 6, 2021, 4:11 am
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--- Quote from: RCG link ---
>
> I refereed a cup match which was over by about 70 minutes,
nothing much had happened but we did have 6 subs and a number of
goals. I played a very short 2 minutes.
> After game the winning manager asked to see me. He requested
that I pay his and his players bonus as they had missed clubs
highest score by 1 goal, which could have been achieved in the
remaining correct added time.
> After that I always tried to play right amount
>
--- End Quote ---
It could have also been achieved had they put in some extra
effort during the 90 minutes.
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Re: Additional Time
DIR By: LateTackle
Date: July 6, 2021, 8:54 am
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I have no problem with what Brych did as there was nothing left
in the game. It was not a group game and goal difference was
irrelevant. Like others, I sometimes did the same in my
refereeing days, especially when you could see the team on the
end of a pasting just wanted to get off the pitch. It's all
about the sadly now defunct 'Law 18' which I am sure the older
ones among us were well acquainted with.
--- Quote from: RefObserver link ---
>
> I think one issue with this is betting. There are markets on
virtually everything these days. I'm not sure if that includes
subs (that were about to be made) but certainly on corners,
goals, correct score and more. I am sure there were people
needing something to happen in added time for a win. For that
alone, I believe any referee at that level has a responsibility
to play any added time due.
>
--- End Quote ---
Absolutely disagree regarding the betting issue. If you choose
to gamble on a game then you are at the mercy of referee's
decisions throughout and should be aware of that before
investing your two bob. I am sure nobody would expect referees
to take account of such issues during a game, and long may that
remain the case. As an aside, the gambling industry has far too
much influence on the game already by way of sponsorship,
something which causes much misery, so the sooner we see
regulation of shirt sponsorship and peripheral advertising the
better.
#Post#: 34975--------------------------------------------------
Re: Additional Time
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: July 12, 2021, 6:00 pm
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--- Quote from: anje-roo link ---
>
> Off the top of my head, thinking about the other professional
sports in which I have an interest of some sort, I cannot think
of one where it is not obvious to all spectators (be they at the
game or watching remotely) what the amount of playing time left
is. Rugby (union & league), Aussie Rules, American Football,
Hockey - there are probably others such as water polo & combat
sports such as boxing. Football is about the only sport I can
think of where there's no more than a vague estimation signalled
by the FO. If you're participating in a professional sport, you
observe the laws/rules to the absolute letter. That Dr Brych is
immediately appointed to another KO game immediately after such
a blatant dereliction of duty just about sums up UEFA's lip
service to managing the tournament professionally. On the other
hand, UEFA obviously doesn't regard the majority of its elite
referees as sufficiently elite to handle SPAITA. Fingers crossed
that the remaining 3 games in Euro 2020 are remembered for the
right reasons.
>
--- End Quote ---
In Rugby Union you might know when the 80 minutes are up but not
what the amount of playing time left is.
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