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Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
DIR By: Irishref1985
Date: June 1, 2021, 5:17 pm
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I'll hold my hands up and say that I have often come onto this
forum with my rose tinted glasses of seeing an incident and
going on a rant because a referee annoys me so much. I accept I
have done that in the past, and for that I apologise. I held
back yesterday because I find it hard to accept how any referee,
never mind one who was a FIFA official, could give a penalty
like the one Bobby gave. It was an astonishing decision in my
view. If he sees a push then he is in a very, very, very small
minority. To make a decision in such a high profiled game of
that magnitude he has to be 200% correct. Shocking in my view.
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Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
DIR By: justalino
Date: June 2, 2021, 3:28 am
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Lots of opinions here and I start from the neutral position of
not having seen the game or any of the incidents mentioned. But
some of the comments are literally staggering.
The implication that any decision Bobby did or didn't give
'decided promotion' is frankly ludicrous. I'm a Northampton fan
and our team in 2015 with Chris Wilder in charge absolutely
wiped the floor with everyone in L2 (this is a once in a 70 year
occurrence). When pressed by a journalist for a soundbite on a
controversial refereeing decision he said 'Referees will make
mistakes. Some will go for you, some will go against you. I
set up my team to be good enough for neither of those things to
matter'. One poster here has said Newport missed numerous
chances - maybe that's the root cause of the result. Get your
own house in order first.
And one person said the referee needs to be '200% correct before
giving a decision in a game like that'. I'm not even sure where
to start with that. I think you'll find it's the referee's job
to give decisions, so if he waits until he's '200% correct'
we'll have 90 minutes without him blowing his whistle.
It sounds like Bobby hasn't covered himself in glory and as the
showpiece game of his season I would imagine no-one will be more
disappointed in that than him. But whatever the opposite saying
is for 'one swallow doesn't make a summer' applies here. His
suitability to be an SG2 referee won't be judged on that one
game and nor should it. His performances over the season have
made him number 1, unsurprising as you don't become a FIFA
referee by accident.
A disappointing end to an outstanding season for him.
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Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: June 2, 2021, 3:32 am
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I will agree with Hughesy66 that there wasn't a plethora of
congratulatory posts about the Semi Final performance.
There seldom are when there is a performance of a level you
would expect from a former SG1 and FIFA Official.
The performance in the final was, IMHO, well beneath the level
required of a Referee aspiring to return even to SG2.
Maybe we had been spoiled by the Champions League performance?
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Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
DIR By: Skydank
Date: June 2, 2021, 3:34 am
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I've watched Mr Madley a couple of times this season via ifollow
and I thought his self confidence at times moved into the realm
of arrogance as mentioned by a previous poster...it did seem at
times it was all about him and league 1 was a bit below him... A
shame because when he just concentrated on the refereeing he was
very good
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Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: June 2, 2021, 3:36 am
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2524.msg32298#msg32298
date=1622545714]
> How many times do we see a penalty given for the goalkeeper
missing the ball and punching the attacker in the head?
>
> I can’t remember any...
>
--- End Quote ---
Certainly not in the way that this actually played out. Keeper
was committed and it did not affect the header which the
attacker got in.
It is an imposiibilty for a player to stop when he is in mid air
as the keeper was.
[/quote]
But the same is true of a tackle which brings a player down
rather than wins the ball because their opponent got there
first. If the tackler / puncher is committed and unable to
withdraw when they are beaten to the ball by their opponent,
they have been careless at best and possibly reckless. Either
way it is a foul.
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Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
DIR By: Hughesy66
Date: June 2, 2021, 3:48 am
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I’m sure if Madley had been that arrogant all season and acted
like these leagues were below him then he wouldn’t have been
appointed to this game which I assume shows he finished as
number 1.
I believe referees are marked by observers and clubs at this
level so clearly the people who watched him week in week out
over the last 9 months felt he was the best performing referee.
I also think it’s unfair to criticise when a referee is felt to
be under par but when they have an excellent game we have the
attitude of we we expect that. If an excellent performance is
expected of this referee every game then that doesn’t quite fit
the narrative on here that he isn’t good enough for the next
level?? You would expect excellence because the referee is in
your opinion excellent generally to have gained that
reputation...surely you can’t say you expect him to be excellent
and then say he’s always rubbish in the same breath 😂
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Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
DIR By: Leggy
Date: June 2, 2021, 4:07 am
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--- Quote from: justalino link ---
>
> Lots of opinions here and I start from the neutral position of
not having seen the game or any of the incidents mentioned. But
some of the comments are literally staggering.
>
> The implication that any decision Bobby did or didn't give
'decided promotion' is frankly ludicrous. I'm a Northampton fan
and our team in 2015 with Chris Wilder in charge absolutely
wiped the floor with everyone in L2 (this is a once in a 70 year
occurrence). When pressed by a journalist for a soundbite on a
controversial refereeing decision he said 'Referees will make
mistakes. Some will go for you, some will go against you. I
set up my team to be good enough for neither of those things to
matter'. One poster here has said Newport missed numerous
chances - maybe that's the root cause of the result. Get your
own house in order first.
>
> And one person said the referee needs to be '200% correct
before giving a decision in a game like that'. I'm not even sure
where to start with that. I think you'll find it's the
referee's job to give decisions, so if he waits until he's '200%
correct' we'll have 90 minutes without him blowing his whistle.
>
> It sounds like Bobby hasn't covered himself in glory and as
the showpiece game of his season I would imagine no-one will be
more disappointed in that than him. But whatever the opposite
saying is for 'one swallow doesn't make a summer' applies here.
His suitability to be an SG2 referee won't be judged on that one
game and nor should it. His performances over the season have
made him number 1, unsurprising as you don't become a FIFA
referee by accident.
>
> A disappointing end to an outstanding season for him.
>
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I would almost always disagree with a statement - whether it is
made by a player, manager or fan - that a single decision cost
their team the game, promotion or forced them to be relegated.
Over a season the best teams in a league end up at the top and
the worst ones end up at the bottom.
But the play-offs (exciting that they can be) are a cup
semi-final and final used to decide which of four sides should
receive a final promotion place. And a penalty decision in the
second half of extra time of a tight final (no goals, few
clear-cut chances) does come close to being a game decider. And
if that decision is incorrect it makes the argument that "the
referee's decision cost us promotion" harder to refute.
The first-half penalty decision, however, does not justify the
same argument. The penalty kick might not have been converted.
Had Newport scored a very different (more open?) game would have
ensued.
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Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
DIR By: TVOS
Date: June 2, 2021, 5:47 am
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--- Quote from: Skydank link ---
>
> I've watched Mr Madley a couple of times this season via
ifollow and I thought his self confidence at times moved into
the realm of arrogance as mentioned by a previous poster...it
did seem at times it was all about him and league 1 was a bit
below him... A shame because when he just concentrated on the
refereeing he was very good
>
--- End Quote ---
Yet in contrast, I saw him referee Rochdale twice in League 1
and once in the EFL Trophy and didn't see anything whatsoever of
this perceived arrogance and the games being beneath him.
I did see him make some poor decisions that weren't befitting
someone of his (previous) status and ability, but he seemed to
have full respect of all the players and they of him.
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Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
DIR By: ECity77
Date: June 2, 2021, 10:21 am
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I think Bobby Madley will be back in the premier league very
soon. As he use to get a lot of the big games when he refereed
in the premier league.
If you look at the select group referees like Mike Dean, Martin
Atkinson, Jon Moss, Lee Mason, Andre Marriner and Graham Scott.
They must be coming to an end to there refereeing career.
So that leaves Micheal Oliver, Stuart Attwell, Antony Taylor,
Paul Tierney and Chris Kavanagh who will referee the bigger and
majority of PL games.
I just think they will re-promote Bobby Madley because of his
past PL experience and that is something they could lose a lot
in the next coming seasons. As who in select group 2 will be
seen as PL material in the coming seasons? Jarred Gillett?
As Andrew Madley, Robert Jones, Simon Hooper and Peter Banks
never get a look in for PL games.
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Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: June 2, 2021, 2:16 pm
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In agreeing with what you say ECity77, ref your last line, I do
believe that any of the four you mention will start to get games
in greater numbers if they stand out from the crowd, and
particularly if/when they gain their FIFA badges as I think A
Madley and Bankes have already done. Slow beginnings seems to be
the order of the day and some, like Hooper and Scott, stay that
way on the fringes whilst others progress to bigger games and
more frequent PL appointments. And I see no harm in that at all,
particularly if it means the 'blue-eyed Attwell' scenario (first
time around) can be avoided in the future.
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