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       Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
   DIR By: Irishref1985
       Date: June 1, 2021, 5:17 pm
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       I'll hold my hands up and say that I have often come onto this
       forum with my rose tinted glasses of seeing an incident and
       going on a rant because a referee annoys me so much. I accept I
       have done that in the past, and for that I apologise. I held
       back yesterday because I find it hard to accept how any referee,
       never mind one who was a FIFA official, could give a penalty
       like the one Bobby gave. It was an astonishing decision in my
       view. If he sees a push then he is in a very, very, very small
       minority. To make a decision in such a high profiled game of
       that magnitude he has to be 200% correct. Shocking in my view.
       #Post#: 32332--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
   DIR By: justalino
       Date: June 2, 2021, 3:28 am
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       Lots of opinions here and I start from the neutral position of
       not having seen the game or any of the incidents mentioned.  But
       some of the comments are literally staggering.
       The implication that any decision Bobby did or didn't give
       'decided promotion' is frankly ludicrous.  I'm a Northampton fan
       and our team in 2015 with Chris Wilder in charge absolutely
       wiped the floor with everyone in L2 (this is a once in a 70 year
       occurrence). When pressed by a journalist for a soundbite on a
       controversial refereeing decision he said 'Referees will make
       mistakes.  Some will go for you, some will go against you.  I
       set up my team to be good enough for neither of those things to
       matter'. One poster here has said Newport missed numerous
       chances - maybe that's the root cause of the result.  Get your
       own house in order first.
       And one person said the referee needs to be '200% correct before
       giving a decision in a game like that'. I'm not even sure where
       to start with that.  I think you'll find it's the referee's job
       to give decisions, so if he waits until he's '200% correct'
       we'll have 90 minutes without him blowing his whistle.
       It sounds like Bobby hasn't covered himself in glory and as the
       showpiece game of his season I would imagine no-one will be more
       disappointed in that than him.  But whatever the opposite saying
       is for 'one swallow doesn't make a summer' applies here.  His
       suitability to be an SG2 referee won't be judged on that one
       game and nor should it.  His performances over the season have
       made him number 1, unsurprising as you don't become a FIFA
       referee by accident.
       A disappointing end to an outstanding season for him.
       #Post#: 32333--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
   DIR By: PhiltheRef
       Date: June 2, 2021, 3:32 am
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       I will agree with Hughesy66 that there wasn't a plethora of
       congratulatory posts about the Semi Final performance.
       There seldom are when there is a performance of a level you
       would expect from a former SG1 and FIFA Official.
       The performance in the final was, IMHO, well beneath the level
       required of a Referee aspiring to return even to SG2.
       Maybe we had been spoiled by the Champions League performance?
       #Post#: 32334--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
   DIR By: Skydank
       Date: June 2, 2021, 3:34 am
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       I've watched Mr Madley a couple of times this season via ifollow
       and I thought his self confidence at times moved into the realm
       of arrogance as mentioned by a previous poster...it did seem at
       times it was all about him and league 1 was a bit below him... A
       shame because when he just concentrated on the refereeing he was
       very good
       #Post#: 32335--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
   DIR By: Ref Watcher
       Date: June 2, 2021, 3:36 am
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       --- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2524.msg32298#msg32298
       date=1622545714]
       > How many times do we see a penalty given for the goalkeeper
       missing the ball and punching the attacker in the head?
       >
       > I can’t remember any...
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Certainly not in the way that this actually played out. Keeper
       was committed and it did not affect the header which the
       attacker got in.
       It is an imposiibilty for a player to stop when he is in mid air
       as the keeper was.
       [/quote]
       But the same is true of a tackle which brings a player down
       rather than wins the ball because their opponent got there
       first.  If the tackler / puncher is committed and unable to
       withdraw when they are beaten to the ball by their opponent,
       they have been careless at best and possibly reckless.  Either
       way it is a foul.
       #Post#: 32336--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
   DIR By: Hughesy66
       Date: June 2, 2021, 3:48 am
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       I’m sure if Madley had been that arrogant all season and acted
       like these leagues were below him then he wouldn’t have been
       appointed to this game which I assume shows he finished as
       number 1.
       I believe referees are marked by observers and clubs at this
       level so clearly the people who watched him week in week out
       over the last 9 months felt he was the best performing referee.
       I also think it’s unfair to criticise when a referee is felt to
       be under par but when they have an excellent game we have the
       attitude of we we expect that. If an excellent performance is
       expected of this referee every game then that doesn’t quite fit
       the narrative on here that he isn’t good enough for the next
       level?? You would expect excellence because the referee is in
       your opinion excellent generally to have gained that
       reputation...surely you can’t say you expect him to be excellent
       and then say he’s always rubbish in the same breath 😂
       #Post#: 32337--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
   DIR By: Leggy
       Date: June 2, 2021, 4:07 am
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       --- Quote from: justalino link ---
       >
       > Lots of opinions here and I start from the neutral position of
       not having seen the game or any of the incidents mentioned.  But
       some of the comments are literally staggering.
       >
       > The implication that any decision Bobby did or didn't give
       'decided promotion' is frankly ludicrous.  I'm a Northampton fan
       and our team in 2015 with Chris Wilder in charge absolutely
       wiped the floor with everyone in L2 (this is a once in a 70 year
       occurrence). When pressed by a journalist for a soundbite on a
       controversial refereeing decision he said 'Referees will make
       mistakes.  Some will go for you, some will go against you.  I
       set up my team to be good enough for neither of those things to
       matter'. One poster here has said Newport missed numerous
       chances - maybe that's the root cause of the result.  Get your
       own house in order first.
       >
       > And one person said the referee needs to be '200% correct
       before giving a decision in a game like that'. I'm not even sure
       where to start with that.  I think you'll find it's the
       referee's job to give decisions, so if he waits until he's '200%
       correct' we'll have 90 minutes without him blowing his whistle.
       >
       > It sounds like Bobby hasn't covered himself in glory and as
       the showpiece game of his season I would imagine no-one will be
       more disappointed in that than him.  But whatever the opposite
       saying is for 'one swallow doesn't make a summer' applies here.
       His suitability to be an SG2 referee won't be judged on that one
       game and nor should it.  His performances over the season have
       made him number 1, unsurprising as you don't become a FIFA
       referee by accident.
       >
       > A disappointing end to an outstanding season for him.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I would almost always disagree with a statement - whether it is
       made by a player, manager or fan - that a single decision cost
       their team the game, promotion or forced them to be relegated.
       Over a season the best teams in a league end up at the top and
       the worst ones end up at the bottom.
       But the play-offs (exciting that they can be) are a cup
       semi-final and final used to decide which of four sides should
       receive a final promotion place.  And a penalty decision in the
       second half of extra time of a tight final (no goals, few
       clear-cut chances) does come close to being a game decider.  And
       if that decision is incorrect it makes the argument that "the
       referee's decision cost us promotion" harder to refute.
       The first-half penalty decision, however, does not justify the
       same argument.  The penalty kick might not have been converted.
       Had Newport scored a very different (more open?) game would have
       ensued.
       #Post#: 32338--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
   DIR By: TVOS
       Date: June 2, 2021, 5:47 am
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       --- Quote from: Skydank link ---
       >
       > I've watched Mr Madley a couple of times this season via
       ifollow and I thought his self confidence at times moved into
       the realm of arrogance as mentioned by a previous poster...it
       did seem at times it was all about him and league 1 was a bit
       below him... A shame because when he just concentrated on the
       refereeing he was very good
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yet in contrast, I saw him referee Rochdale twice in League 1
       and once in the EFL Trophy and didn't see anything whatsoever of
       this perceived arrogance and the games being beneath him.
       I did see him make some poor decisions that weren't befitting
       someone of his (previous) status and ability, but he seemed to
       have full respect of all the players and they of him.
       #Post#: 32343--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
   DIR By: ECity77
       Date: June 2, 2021, 10:21 am
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       I think Bobby Madley will be back in the premier league very
       soon. As he use to get a lot of the big games when he  refereed
       in the premier league.
       If you look at the select group referees like Mike Dean, Martin
       Atkinson, Jon Moss, Lee Mason, Andre Marriner and Graham Scott.
       They must be coming to an end to there refereeing career.
       So that leaves Micheal Oliver, Stuart Attwell, Antony Taylor,
       Paul Tierney and Chris Kavanagh who will referee the bigger and
       majority of PL games.
       I just think they will re-promote Bobby Madley because of his
       past PL experience and that is something they could lose a lot
       in the next coming seasons. As who in select group 2 will be
       seen as PL material in the coming seasons? Jarred Gillett?
       As Andrew Madley, Robert Jones, Simon Hooper and Peter Banks
       never get a look in for PL games.
       #Post#: 32346--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Robert Madley L2 Play-off Final Morecambe v Newport
   DIR By: Acme Thunderer
       Date: June 2, 2021, 2:16 pm
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       In agreeing with what you say ECity77, ref your last line, I do
       believe that any of the four you mention will start to get games
       in greater numbers if they stand out from the crowd, and
       particularly if/when they gain their FIFA badges as I think A
       Madley and Bankes have already done. Slow beginnings seems to be
       the order of the day and some, like Hooper and Scott, stay that
       way on the fringes whilst others progress to bigger games and
       more frequent PL appointments. And I see no harm in that at all,
       particularly if it means the 'blue-eyed Attwell' scenario (first
       time around) can be avoided in the future.
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