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#Post#: 31979--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
By: GingerReferee Date: May 24, 2021, 8:06 am
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[quote author=Ref Fan link=topic=2498.msg31977#msg31977
date=1621860613]
Ha, ha. Just realised Taylor gave 2 penalties in the Leicester-
Spurs game, one of them after an OFR. Memo to self: watch
carefully and concentrate!
Do we actually have the penalty count for referees among the
stats for 2020/21?
[/quote]
i can get it worked out for you if you want
#Post#: 31985--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
By: GingerReferee Date: May 24, 2021, 9:13 am
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[quote author=GingerReferee link=topic=2498.msg31979#msg31979
date=1621861601]
[quote author=Ref Fan link=topic=2498.msg31977#msg31977
date=1621860613]
Ha, ha. Just realised Taylor gave 2 penalties in the Leicester-
Spurs game, one of them after an OFR. Memo to self: watch
carefully and concentrate!
Do we actually have the penalty count for referees among the
stats for 2020/21?
[/quote]
i can get it worked out for you if you want
[/quote]
There you go
Pawson – 7
Tierney – 5
Marriner – 9
Atwell – 8
Oliver – 19
Taylor – 14
Friend – 7
Hooper – 5
England – 2
Bankes – 2
Kavanagh – 6
Dean – 9
Atkinson – 2
Madley – 5
Coote – 9
Moss – 4
Jones – 3
Scott - 5
Mason - 3
#Post#: 31988--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
By: Ref Fan Date: May 24, 2021, 9:56 am
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Many thanks for that. Even allowing for some referees having
less games, that quite a variation.
Are penalties awarded after an OFR included but those retracted
after a review excluded?
Although Oliver has clocked up so many, I don't recall offhand
any being overturned on review, or for that matter only being
given after a visit to the monitor, but could well be wrong on
that. Some were certainly of the 'soft' variety but not regarded
as a 'clear and obvious' error.
I know Atkinson missed some games towards the end of the season
due covid I think, but 2 penalties is remarkably few. Wasn't it
in the Neville / Carragher documentary on refereeing that
Atkinson said you should be 110% sure for a penalty - or words
to that effect?
#Post#: 32000--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
By: ajb95 Date: May 24, 2021, 10:44 am
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[quote author=GingerReferee link=topic=2498.msg31985#msg31985
date=1621865604]
[quote author=GingerReferee link=topic=2498.msg31979#msg31979
date=1621861601]
[quote author=Ref Fan link=topic=2498.msg31977#msg31977
date=1621860613]
Ha, ha. Just realised Taylor gave 2 penalties in the Leicester-
Spurs game, one of them after an OFR. Memo to self: watch
carefully and concentrate!
Do we actually have the penalty count for referees among the
stats for 2020/21?
[/quote]
i can get it worked out for you if you want
[/quote]
There you go
Pawson – 7
Tierney – 5
Marriner – 9
Atwell – 8
Oliver – 19
Taylor – 14
Friend – 7
Hooper – 5
England – 2
Bankes – 2
Kavanagh – 6
Dean – 9
Atkinson – 2
Madley – 5
Coote – 9
Moss – 4
Jones – 3
Scott - 5
Mason - 3
[/quote]
Not quite correct. I'll publish a comp set of stats
#Post#: 32037--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
By: referee12 Date: May 25, 2021, 6:53 am
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With the season now over we know mason is going to be a full
time var official after his last game so are we expecting some
promotions from sg2 in time for the 2021/22 season?
#Post#: 32039--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
By: Ref Watcher Date: May 25, 2021, 8:36 am
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[quote author=referee12 link=topic=2498.msg32037#msg32037
date=1621943581]
With the season now over we know mason is going to be a full
time var official after his last game so are we expecting some
promotions from sg2 in time for the 2021/22 season?
[/quote]
How many promotions are required to replace one referee, bearing
in mind that Lee Mason will (presumably) be covering twice as
many games as VAR as he did this season? Half a referee? Given
the number of games some of the newer SG1 members did this
season there is an argument, on numbers alone I stress, not to
promote any.
#Post#: 32043--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
By: greeny Date: May 25, 2021, 10:55 am
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I would argue that some of our top referees are getting too many
- top referees in Germany, France, Spain and Italy are getting
no more than 20 games in a season (fewer in most countries) -
Oliver and Taylor got 28 matches each this season. They could
easily spread the appointments out better so the less
experienced referees get a few more games.
France (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 20 (Brisard, Lesage and Buquet)
- Turpin got 19
Spain (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 21 (Gonzalez Fuertes and del
Cerro Grande) - Lahoz got 18
Germany (34 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 17 (Grafe and Brych).
Italy (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 18 (Mariani) - Orsato got 15
#Post#: 32044--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
By: RCG Date: May 25, 2021, 11:03 am
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Seems most other countries work on 1 in every 2, as opposed to
almost 3 in every 4.
The lack of experience will show up sooner or later as
age/injury/other appointments hit the numbers.
Surely we have enough games to be giving Jones, England et al 1
in every 2 matchweeks?
#Post#: 32045--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
By: Claretman Date: May 25, 2021, 11:43 am
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[quote author=Ref Fan link=topic=2498.msg31988#msg31988
date=1621868178]
Many thanks for that. Even allowing for some referees having
less games, that quite a variation.
Are penalties awarded after an OFR included but those retracted
after a review excluded?
Although Oliver has clocked up so many, I don't recall offhand
any being overturned on review, or for that matter only being
given after a visit to the monitor, but could well be wrong on
that. Some were certainly of the 'soft' variety but not regarded
as a 'clear and obvious' error.
I know Atkinson missed some games towards the end of the season
due covid I think, but 2 penalties is remarkably few. Wasn't it
in the Neville / Carragher documentary on refereeing that
Atkinson said you should be 110% sure for a penalty - or words
to that effect?
[/quote]
Oliver over turned his penalty decision in the villa v brighton
game after Kavanagh asked him to view the screen.
#Post#: 32046--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
By: bmb Date: May 25, 2021, 3:40 pm
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[quote author=greeny link=topic=2498.msg32043#msg32043
date=1621958153]
I would argue that some of our top referees are getting too many
- top referees in Germany, France, Spain and Italy are getting
no more than 20 games in a season (fewer in most countries) -
Oliver and Taylor got 28 matches each this season. They could
easily spread the appointments out better so the less
experienced referees get a few more games.
France (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 20 (Brisard, Lesage and Buquet)
- Turpin got 19
Spain (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 21 (Gonzalez Fuertes and del
Cerro Grande) - Lahoz got 18
Germany (34 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 17 (Grafe and Brych).
Italy (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 18 (Mariani) - Orsato got 15
[/quote]
Hungary 33 Rounds
Solymosi Péter - 22 - referee; 18 - AAR. * Has done more than 1
AAR duty in the same round on occasion hence why more than 33 in
total.
Bogár Gergő - 22 - referee ; 11 - AAR
Berke Balázs - 17 - referee; 6 - AAR
Andó-Szabó Sándor - 16 - referee; 13 - AAR
Pintér Csaba - 15 - referee; 5 - AAR
Káprály Mihály - 15 - referee; 18 - AAR *NBII
Erdős József - 13 - referee; 22 - AAR * Has done more than
1 AAR duty in the same round on occasion hence why more than 33
in total.
Karakó Ferenc - 12 - referee; 9 - AAR
Farkas Ádám - 12 - referee; 15 - AAR * was injured/out for a few
weeks
Bognár Tamás - 11 - referee; 2 - AAR *out for more than 1 month
after getting covid
Iványi Zoltán - 11 - referee; 13 - AAR * was injured/out for a
few weeks
Antal Péter - 11 - referee; 14 - AAR *NBII
Zierkelbach Péter - 8 - referee; 16 - AAR *NBII
Vad II István - 6 - referee; 9 - AAR * was injured for most of
the season as per usual!! That's 3/4 seasons now where he has
missed most of it...
Pillók Ádám - 5 - referee; 17 - AAR *NBII
Csonka Bence - 1 - referee 24 as AAR *NBII
We've had really bad problems with covid within the league & a
lot of our referees have either been out having tested positive
themselves or in quarantine after players from the game they
were in tested positive so we have used NBII referees more than
normal. They'd normally do 3/4 games max per season. We've also
had VAR training going on during the spring season so a lot of
the refs have missed games because they were sat in the VAR van
practicing although there were no comms linked with the on field
referee team.
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