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Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: May 3, 2021, 11:34 am
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Sunday leisure and entertainment activities had long been
constrained by successive Sunday Observance Acts which also
prohibited the charging for admission to such events. One
consequence of this was the introduction of "admission by
programme" in order to circumvent the law. So if finding a
programme for a Sunday fixture with a cover price considerably
higher than expected for its time then this is the reason. It
was also deemed in the religious areas of society unacceptable
to partake in such activities on a Sunday, which was deemed a
"day of rest". However amongst those that worked on Saturdays
and supported their local teams later in the day Sundays became
their day to play the game.
The Football Association long upheld the traditional view and
did not officially recognise Sunday football, other than to
place restrictions on it. Those that played or officiated in
Sunday football were not allowed to participate in matches on
other days of the week. Therefore many players and officials
used false names when participating on a Sunday.
The F.A. gradually came around to reviewing the problems that
this was causing , notably in the big cities where organised
Sunday football was prevalent. In August 1939 it was proposed
that they appoint a Sub-Committee to review the situation but
war intervened and it was not until 24th September 1943 that the
Committee members were actually appointed. One of these was
Edward "Teddy" Eden, the F.A. Councillor for Birmingham, who was
to spend the next 17 years persuading other F.A. Councillors to
recognise Sunday football.
The majority opinion of the reviewing Committee was to ease the
restrictions and allow Sunday play under certain conditions.
These recommendations were put forward in October 1945 but those
who opposed Sunday football had not been idle and had gathered
sufficient support to have the initial proposals watered down
and to be re-considered at the end of the season.
When re-considered in July 1946 these opponents won the day and
so no changes were made, but resolutions continued to be made to
the F.A. Council, without success, every year. The Council again
shelved a decision in 1952 but Sunday football continued to grow
and eventually in 1960 all restrictions were lifted. However the
delay in reaching this decision had caused much bitterness
amongst the players and officials of Sunday football.
Immediately set up was an Inter Cities Bowl competition held
between the best Sunday clubs of Birmingham and London organised
by the Secretaries of the Birmingham Festival League and the
London Sportsman's Intermediate League. This was mistakenly
referred to in some areas as the National Sunday Cup but it was
intending to expand invitations to the clubs of Leicester, Leeds
and Manchester when the F.A. Sunday Cup was launched.
The F.A. therefore needed to adopt, through its County
Associations, a policy of slow assimilation, with the intent
that the Sunday Leagues and Clubs would see the benefit of
joining the F.A. fold, but there were still hard cores of
resistance. Nevertheless the lifting of restrictions led to the
spread of Sunday football to counties where it was previously
unknown.
In 1964, with Teddy Eden now Chairman of the Committee
responsible, the F.A. introduced a national competition to
further encourage the spread of Sunday football. Due to the
varying conditions under which it was played in different parts
of the country the initial rules were based upon those of the
F.A. County Youth Cup established 20 years before. County F.A.'s
could enter a representative side drawn from their various clubs
or nominate one of their clubs to represent them.
Sixteen counties entered with only London using a nominated club
- Summerstown Athletic, near Wimbledon, and it was they that
went on to win the inaugural competition. Teddy Eden, having
seen the competition get successfully underway, died midway
through the following season on 26th January 1966, aged 86, only
two days after presiding at what was to be his final Sunday
Football committee meeting.
#Post#: 30896--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Timbo
Date: May 4, 2021, 1:11 pm
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--- Quote from: John Treleven link ---
>
> Sunday leisure and entertainment activities had long been
constrained by successive Sunday Observance Acts which also
prohibited the charging for admission to such events. One
consequence of this was the introduction of "admission by
programme" in order to circumvent the law. So if finding a
programme for a Sunday fixture with a cover price considerably
higher than expected for its time then this is the reason. It
was also deemed in the religious areas of society unacceptable
to partake in such activities on a Sunday, which was deemed a
"day of rest". However amongst those that worked on Saturdays
and supported their local teams later in the day Sundays became
their day to play the game.
>
> The Football Association long upheld the traditional view and
did not officially recognise Sunday football, other than to
place restrictions on it. Those that played or officiated in
Sunday football were not allowed to participate in matches on
other days of the week. Therefore many players and officials
used false names when participating on a Sunday.
>
> The F.A. gradually came around to reviewing the problems that
this was causing , notably in the big cities where organised
Sunday football was prevalent. In August 1939 it was proposed
that they appoint a Sub-Committee to review the situation but
war intervened and it was not until 24th September 1943 that the
Committee members were actually appointed. One of these was
Edward "Teddy" Eden, the F.A. Councillor for Birmingham, who was
to spend the next 17 years persuading other F.A. Councillors to
recognise Sunday football.
>
> The majority opinion of the reviewing Committee was to ease
the restrictions and allow Sunday play under certain conditions.
These recommendations were put forward in October 1945 but those
who opposed Sunday football had not been idle and had gathered
sufficient support to have the initial proposals watered down
and to be re-considered at the end of the season.
>
> When re-considered in July 1946 these opponents won the day
and so no changes were made, but resolutions continued to be
made to the F.A. Council, without success, every year. The
Council again shelved a decision in 1952 but Sunday football
continued to grow and eventually in 1960 all restrictions were
lifted. However the delay in reaching this decision had caused
much bitterness amongst the players and officials of Sunday
football.
>
> Immediately set up was an Inter Cities Bowl competition held
between the best Sunday clubs of Birmingham and London organised
by the Secretaries of the Birmingham Festival League and the
London Sportsman's Intermediate League. This was mistakenly
referred to in some areas as the National Sunday Cup but it was
intending to expand invitations to the clubs of Leicester, Leeds
and Manchester when the F.A. Sunday Cup was launched.
>
> The F.A. therefore needed to adopt, through its County
Associations, a policy of slow assimilation, with the intent
that the Sunday Leagues and Clubs would see the benefit of
joining the F.A. fold, but there were still hard cores of
resistance. Nevertheless the lifting of restrictions led to the
spread of Sunday football to counties where it was previously
unknown.
>
> In 1964, with Teddy Eden now Chairman of the Committee
responsible, the F.A. introduced a national competition to
further encourage the spread of Sunday football. Due to the
varying conditions under which it was played in different parts
of the country the initial rules were based upon those of the
F.A. County Youth Cup established 20 years before. County F.A.'s
could enter a representative side drawn from their various clubs
or nominate one of their clubs to represent them.
>
> Sixteen counties entered with only London using a nominated
club - Summerstown Athletic, near Wimbledon, and it was they
that went on to win the inaugural competition. Teddy Eden,
having seen the competition get successfully underway, died
midway through the following season on 26th January 1966, aged
86, only two days after presiding at what was to be his final
Sunday Football committee meeting.
>
--- End Quote ---
Quite a few midweek afternoon leagues existed into the 1970s,
such as the Manchester Wednesday League, the Liverpool Business
Houses League and the Oxford Thursday League. The demise of
half-day closing and factory closures caused by successive
recessions generally saw such leagues fold.
#Post#: 30897--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Leggy
Date: May 4, 2021, 1:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Timbo link ---
>
> [quote author=John Treleven link=topic=2395.msg30818#msg30818
date=1620059642]
> Sunday leisure and entertainment activities had long been
constrained by successive Sunday Observance Acts which also
prohibited the charging for admission to such events. One
consequence of this was the introduction of "admission by
programme" in order to circumvent the law. So if finding a
programme for a Sunday fixture with a cover price considerably
higher than expected for its time then this is the reason. It
was also deemed in the religious areas of society unacceptable
to partake in such activities on a Sunday, which was deemed a
"day of rest". However amongst those that worked on Saturdays
and supported their local teams later in the day Sundays became
their day to play the game.
>
> The Football Association long upheld the traditional view and
did not officially recognise Sunday football, other than to
place restrictions on it. Those that played or officiated in
Sunday football were not allowed to participate in matches on
other days of the week. Therefore many players and officials
used false names when participating on a Sunday.
>
> The F.A. gradually came around to reviewing the problems that
this was causing , notably in the big cities where organised
Sunday football was prevalent. In August 1939 it was proposed
that they appoint a Sub-Committee to review the situation but
war intervened and it was not until 24th September 1943 that the
Committee members were actually appointed. One of these was
Edward "Teddy" Eden, the F.A. Councillor for Birmingham, who was
to spend the next 17 years persuading other F.A. Councillors to
recognise Sunday football.
>
> The majority opinion of the reviewing Committee was to ease
the restrictions and allow Sunday play under certain conditions.
These recommendations were put forward in October 1945 but those
who opposed Sunday football had not been idle and had gathered
sufficient support to have the initial proposals watered down
and to be re-considered at the end of the season.
>
> When re-considered in July 1946 these opponents won the day
and so no changes were made, but resolutions continued to be
made to the F.A. Council, without success, every year. The
Council again shelved a decision in 1952 but Sunday football
continued to grow and eventually in 1960 all restrictions were
lifted. However the delay in reaching this decision had caused
much bitterness amongst the players and officials of Sunday
football.
>
> Immediately set up was an Inter Cities Bowl competition held
between the best Sunday clubs of Birmingham and London organised
by the Secretaries of the Birmingham Festival League and the
London Sportsman's Intermediate League. This was mistakenly
referred to in some areas as the National Sunday Cup but it was
intending to expand invitations to the clubs of Leicester, Leeds
and Manchester when the F.A. Sunday Cup was launched.
>
> The F.A. therefore needed to adopt, through its County
Associations, a policy of slow assimilation, with the intent
that the Sunday Leagues and Clubs would see the benefit of
joining the F.A. fold, but there were still hard cores of
resistance. Nevertheless the lifting of restrictions led to the
spread of Sunday football to counties where it was previously
unknown.
>
> In 1964, with Teddy Eden now Chairman of the Committee
responsible, the F.A. introduced a national competition to
further encourage the spread of Sunday football. Due to the
varying conditions under which it was played in different parts
of the country the initial rules were based upon those of the
F.A. County Youth Cup established 20 years before. County F.A.'s
could enter a representative side drawn from their various clubs
or nominate one of their clubs to represent them.
>
> Sixteen counties entered with only London using a nominated
club - Summerstown Athletic, near Wimbledon, and it was they
that went on to win the inaugural competition. Teddy Eden,
having seen the competition get successfully underway, died
midway through the following season on 26th January 1966, aged
86, only two days after presiding at what was to be his final
Sunday Football committee meeting.
>
--- End Quote ---
Quite a few midweek afternoon leagues existed into the 1970s,
such as the Manchester Wednesday League, the Liverpool Business
Houses League and the Oxford Thursday League. The demise of
half-day closing and factory closures caused by successive
recessions generally saw such leagues fold.
[/quote]
There was a Thursday afternoon league in London as well (in the
1980s when I started refereeing). A number of fire brigade
teams and police teams participated - as well as works sides.
Plenty of "ringers" appeared as well.
#Post#: 30927--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: May 4, 2021, 3:19 pm
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Jersey Caesarean League until 1977 on Thursday afternoons - half
day closing
#Post#: 30985--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: May 5, 2021, 7:29 am
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--- Quote from: John Treleven link ---
>
> Jersey Caesarean League until 1977 on Thursday afternoons -
half day closing
>
--- End Quote ---
W
hat a wonderful name for a League associated with an Island I
know very well.
#Post#: 31033--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: May 5, 2021, 5:10 pm
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Caesarea was believed to be the Roman name for Jersey, although
modern research questions it (it is pronounced Seas are rear,
not like the birthing term!)
Guernsey - Sarnia, Alderney - Ridunia
#Post#: 31073--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: May 6, 2021, 1:07 pm
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--- Quote from: John Treleven link ---
>
> Caesarea was believed to be the Roman name for Jersey,
although modern research questions it (it is pronounced Seas are
rear, not like the birthing term!)
> Guernsey - Sarnia, Alderney - Ridunia
>
--- End Quote ---
This forum is a mine of knowledge. The only Caesarea I had known
previously was Caesarea Philippi but I guess many places were
named in honour of the Emperor.
#Post#: 31096--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Timbo
Date: May 7, 2021, 4:33 am
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> [quote author=Timbo link=topic=2395.msg30896#msg30896
date=1620151906]
> [quote author=John Treleven link=topic=2395.msg30818#msg30818
date=1620059642]
> Sunday leisure and entertainment activities had long been
constrained by successive Sunday Observance Acts which also
prohibited the charging for admission to such events. One
consequence of this was the introduction of "admission by
programme" in order to circumvent the law. So if finding a
programme for a Sunday fixture with a cover price considerably
higher than expected for its time then this is the reason. It
was also deemed in the religious areas of society unacceptable
to partake in such activities on a Sunday, which was deemed a
"day of rest". However amongst those that worked on Saturdays
and supported their local teams later in the day Sundays became
their day to play the game.
>
> The Football Association long upheld the traditional view and
did not officially recognise Sunday football, other than to
place restrictions on it. Those that played or officiated in
Sunday football were not allowed to participate in matches on
other days of the week. Therefore many players and officials
used false names when participating on a Sunday.
>
> The F.A. gradually came around to reviewing the problems that
this was causing , notably in the big cities where organised
Sunday football was prevalent. In August 1939 it was proposed
that they appoint a Sub-Committee to review the situation but
war intervened and it was not until 24th September 1943 that the
Committee members were actually appointed. One of these was
Edward "Teddy" Eden, the F.A. Councillor for Birmingham, who was
to spend the next 17 years persuading other F.A. Councillors to
recognise Sunday football.
>
> The majority opinion of the reviewing Committee was to ease
the restrictions and allow Sunday play under certain conditions.
These recommendations were put forward in October 1945 but those
who opposed Sunday football had not been idle and had gathered
sufficient support to have the initial proposals watered down
and to be re-considered at the end of the season.
>
> When re-considered in July 1946 these opponents won the day
and so no changes were made, but resolutions continued to be
made to the F.A. Council, without success, every year. The
Council again shelved a decision in 1952 but Sunday football
continued to grow and eventually in 1960 all restrictions were
lifted. However the delay in reaching this decision had caused
much bitterness amongst the players and officials of Sunday
football.
>
> Immediately set up was an Inter Cities Bowl competition held
between the best Sunday clubs of Birmingham and London organised
by the Secretaries of the Birmingham Festival League and the
London Sportsman's Intermediate League. This was mistakenly
referred to in some areas as the National Sunday Cup but it was
intending to expand invitations to the clubs of Leicester, Leeds
and Manchester when the F.A. Sunday Cup was launched.
>
> The F.A. therefore needed to adopt, through its County
Associations, a policy of slow assimilation, with the intent
that the Sunday Leagues and Clubs would see the benefit of
joining the F.A. fold, but there were still hard cores of
resistance. Nevertheless the lifting of restrictions led to the
spread of Sunday football to counties where it was previously
unknown.
>
> In 1964, with Teddy Eden now Chairman of the Committee
responsible, the F.A. introduced a national competition to
further encourage the spread of Sunday football. Due to the
varying conditions under which it was played in different parts
of the country the initial rules were based upon those of the
F.A. County Youth Cup established 20 years before. County F.A.'s
could enter a representative side drawn from their various clubs
or nominate one of their clubs to represent them.
>
> Sixteen counties entered with only London using a nominated
club - Summerstown Athletic, near Wimbledon, and it was they
that went on to win the inaugural competition. Teddy Eden,
having seen the competition get successfully underway, died
midway through the following season on 26th January 1966, aged
86, only two days after presiding at what was to be his final
Sunday Football committee meeting.
>
--- End Quote ---
Quite a few midweek afternoon leagues existed into the 1970s,
such as the Manchester Wednesday League, the Liverpool Business
Houses League and the Oxford Thursday League. The demise of
half-day closing and factory closures caused by successive
recessions generally saw such leagues fold.
[/quote]
There was a Thursday afternoon league in London as well (in the
1980s when I started refereeing). A number of fire brigade
teams and police teams participated - as well as works sides.
Plenty of "ringers" appeared as well.
[/quote]
A bit of research suggests that the Oxford Thursday League
ceased in 1969, which was one year after the Oxford Sunday
League was formed. Some clubs seem to have moved from the former
to the latter, the Post Office being an example.
There is still a midweek afternoon league in Oxford, but that is
an inter-college league in which students play.
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