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Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: April 30, 2021, 9:57 am
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Yes Arthur Luty leads with Gerald Ashby heading the unwanted
list
I have not gone in for counting the actual days - just year of
final to year of death
59
55
55
55
52
51
51
50
50
6
10
10
13
14
14
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Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 30, 2021, 11:09 am
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--- Quote from: John Treleven link ---
>
> Yes Arthur Luty leads with Gerald Ashby heading the unwanted
list
>
> I have not gone in counting the actual days - just year of
final to year of death
>
> 59
> 55
> 55
> 55
> 52
> 51
> 51
> 50
> 50
>
> 6
> 10
> 10
> 13
> 14
> 14
>
--- End Quote ---
Most interesting. It corrects a constant misapprehension of mine
that years and years ago only referees coming towards the end of
their careers were awarded the FA Cup Final but the first list
shows that some of these gentlemen must have received the honour
when they were quite young. I think, for a while, Kevin Howley
was reckoned to be just about the youngest person, post 2nd
World War, appointed to an FA Cup Final at the age of 35 but I
am pretty sure Michael Oliver ( and perhaps others ) have been
younger.
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Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: April 30, 2021, 11:24 am
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Luty could no longer get time off for overseas matches and came
off the FIFA list after 1955-56
He was due to go to Moscow for Russia U23 v Hungary U23 on
Sunday 25th September 1955
but had to decline as he was unable to get released by the Leeds
clothing company where he
was a departmental manager
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Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: April 30, 2021, 11:56 am
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A constant misapprehension of mine was that years ago only
referees coming towards the end of their careers were awarded
the F.A. Cup Final
That has been generally correct since 1915, up to then 18 under
40s took the final with 5 under 30s -
21
22
24
27
27
Since 1915 there have only been a further 16 under 40s -
33
36
36
36
37
37
37
38
38
38
38
39
39
39
39
39
Again only year of birth to year of final
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Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Hendo
Date: April 30, 2021, 3:38 pm
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--- Quote from: John Treleven link ---
>
> Luty could no longer get time off for overseas matches and
came off the FIFA list after 1955-56
>
> He was due to go to Moscow for Russia U23 v Hungary U23 on
Sunday 25th September 1955
> but had to decline as he was unable to get released by the
Leeds clothing company where he
> was a departmental manager
>
--- End Quote ---
Found this nice article about Mr Luty
HTML https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/sport/9205119/Esteemed-former-world-ranked-ref-dies
Seems he emigrated with his job to New Zealand in the mid 60s.
Very interesting to read that, despite the rough and tumble of
games, he believed in trying to keep all 22 players on the field
if at all possible and never sent anyone off in his professional
career. How refreshing compared to some of the attitude of
today’s robotic refs!
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Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: guest42
Date: May 1, 2021, 3:10 am
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--- Quote from: John Treleven link ---
>
> Yes Arthur Luty leads with Gerald Ashby heading the unwanted
list
>
> I have not gone in for counting the actual days - just year of
final to year of death
>
> 59
> 55
> 55
> 55
> 52
> 51
> 51
> 50
> 50
>
> 6
> 10
> 10
> 13
> 14
> 14
>
--- End Quote ---
The death of Aaron Scragg (Football League referee)
August 14, 1909
The sudden death of Mr. Aaron Scragg at Rhyl on Saturday caused
quite a painful sensation among his large circle of
acquaintances in Cheshire. It appears that Mr. Scragg was
staying at Colwyn Bay with his wife and family, and on Saturday
he spent the day with some friends at Rhyl.
He was apparently in his usual health, but having stayed longer
than he anticipated he had to hurry to the station. When near
the station he complained of pain in his side, and his friends
told him not to hurry and went on ahead of him to detain the
train. On their return they found that Mr. Scragg had collapsed.
First-aid was rendered by ambulance men from Caerwys camp, and
Dr. Jones was summoned, but on his arrival that gentleman
pronounced life extinct.
Deceased held the important position of principal coal buyer to
the London and North Western Railway Co., and appointment he had
obtained by perseverance and sheer force of character. But he
was more widely known by his connection with Association
football, first as a player and latterly as official referee.
Mr. Scragg hailed from Scholar Green, near Kidsgrove. He
commenced life as a pupil teacher and acquired a love for
football during the time he was at the Chester College. Some
thirty years ago he played for Golden Hill, and it was then that
he first met Mr. C.J. Hughes, and formed what was a life-long
friendship.
At the annual meeting of the Cheshire Football Association, Mr.
Hughes, in presenting Mr. Scragg with a long service medal in
recognition of his valuable services to the association as
treasurer, mentioned that he was an enthusiast in those early
days and played for all he was worth.
Twenty-one years ago he was elected a member of the Council of
the association and he rendered inestimable service to county
football by his ripe experience and thorough knowledge of the
game. He became one of the most prominent referees in the
country and the crowning honour of his career was when he was
appointed to officiate in the English Cup Final.
He was one of the most earnest and active promoters of the Crewe
Cottage Hospital Cup Competition, by means of which hundreds of
pounds have been raised for the benefit of the hospital. During
the time he was playing the game Mr. Scragg represented the
country on several occasions, and he had lively recollections of
visits to Norwich when they had to fight their way to the
station. To quote his own words, they did not play drawing-room
football in those days.
Mr. Scragg was exceedingly popular. He played for Crewe
Alexandra at the time the Railway Club began to assert itself in
the county. He was exceedingly popular with all classes of
footballers and at one period his services were frequently
requisitioned as referee in some of the most important matches,
especially where there was great local rivalry, notably Everton
v Liverpool and Sheffield Wednesday v Sheffield United. It was
only at the recent annual meeting of the Cheshire F.A. that he
practically retired from the game he loved so well.
Mr. Scragg was a member of the directorate of the Crewe
Alexandra F.C. and the Alexandra Athletic Club recently did him
the honour of electing him chairman of that flourishing
organisation. He had been a member of the Football Association
Council since 1893.
He had many amusing experiences when acting as referee. In one
cup-tie between Chirk and Old Brightonians the players burst
every ball the club possessed, and the game was finished with a
ball borrowed from some boys half a mile away. On another
occasion in the Potteries the secretary of a club surprised Mr.
Scragg, who was refereeing, by rushing on to the field of play
and kicking the ball through the goal for his own side.
Deceased was a typical all-round sportsman and his tragic death
is deeply regretted by his many friends in the world of
athletics. In politics Mr. Scragg was a staunch Conservative. He
was interested in bowls and was a popular member of the Crewe
Bowling Club.
He was 46 years of age.
The funeral takes place on Wednesday at Crewe.
(Source: Runcorn Guardian: August 18, 1909)
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Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Boris10
Date: May 1, 2021, 4:32 am
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Interesting stuff re.Arthur Luty.Coming from Leeds,I don't think
I ever saw him,except ,perhaps,in a West Riding Cup game,but
given his difficulties in getting time off from his job,that
seems unlikely.
He seemed well built in photos etc and the Times[I
think]reported that 'he was a referee with an infinite capacity
for mime'in explaining his decisionsThis quote has always stuck
in my mind for 60 years or more.
.To return to GC Kew-he also was from Leeds for many years.
#Post#: 30646--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: May 1, 2021, 5:51 am
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'Scragg' is a local Crewe name, and Aaron was one of three
referees from Crewe to have refereed the FA Cup Final, J H
Pearson (1911) and I Baker (1926) being the other two.
Sad to note Gerald Ashby, Neil Midgley and Alan Gunn from more
modern times on the 'unwanted' list. Taken before their time in
all three cases. RIP
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Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Left Field
Date: May 3, 2021, 9:01 am
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After refereeing a Leicester-Liverpool FA Cup tie in 1965 Arthur
Luty said he couldn't do the replay because "I don't do midweek
games". I wasn't sure at the time whether that was his choice or
because of job commitments but earlier posts suggest the latter.
Certainly not doing midweek games would have made an
international career just about impossible and made some major
domestic appointments very difficult as well. Sometimes we
wonder why certain highly-respected referees didn't gain
international status or more generally missed out on some
domestic honours and it may have been linked to job or family
commitments; in some cases some talented officials may not even
have been able to reach Football League level because these
commitments limited their appointments or meant they had to give
up refereeing.
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Re: Gordon Kew
DIR By: Timbo
Date: May 3, 2021, 9:53 am
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--- Quote from: Left Field link ---
>
> After refereeing a Leicester-Liverpool FA Cup tie in 1965
Arthur Luty said he couldn't do the replay because "I don't do
midweek games". I wasn't sure at the time whether that was his
choice or because of job commitments but earlier posts suggest
the latter. Certainly not doing midweek games would have made an
international career just about impossible and made some major
domestic appointments very difficult as well. Sometimes we
wonder why certain highly-respected referees didn't gain
international status or more generally missed out on some
domestic honours and it may have been linked to job or family
commitments; in some cases some talented officials may not even
have been able to reach Football League level because these
commitments limited their appointments or meant they had to give
up refereeing.
>
--- End Quote ---
Folks refusing to play or officiate on a Sunday was a big issue
in the early 1970s.
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