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Re: Man City v Tottenham Carabao Cup Final - Paul Tierney
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: April 25, 2021, 2:47 pm
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In the 16th minute Reguilon made a blatant "professional" foul
on Foden to stop him getting away from him, as clear a yellow
card as you are likely to see. Shortly after that De Bruyne
decides that if this is the standard of refereeing he can
flatten Son after the ball has gone without reprisal. In the
28th minute Reguilon finally gets a yellow card for another rash
challenge. Surprised not to see the same indignation for
Reguilon not receiving a yellow card for the challenge on Foden
as for the Laporte challenges..
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Re: Man City v Tottenham Carabao Cup Final - Paul Tierney
DIR By: Claretman
Date: April 25, 2021, 3:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Microscopist link ---
>
> In the 16th minute Reguilon made a blatant "professional" foul
on Foden to stop him getting away from him, as clear a yellow
card as you are likely to see. Shortly after that De Bruyne
decides that if this is the standard of refereeing he can
flatten Son after the ball has gone without reprisal. In the
28th minute Reguilon finally gets a yellow card for another rash
challenge. Surprised not to see the same indignation for
Reguilon not receiving a yellow card for the challenge on Foden
as for the Laporte challenges..
>
--- End Quote ---
Completely agree with you microscopist, if reguilon and laporte
had been cautioned earlier, they would both have been stupid to
commit the offences they were carded for.
As a few have said you cannot say he should have sent laporte
off or reguilon for that matter, as they werent offences
committed after receiving a yellow card.
I think overall tierney had quite a good game, probably not as
good as he had in the championship play off a few
Years back, he chose to be lenient early on and was consistent
in doing so.
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Re: Man City v Tottenham Carabao Cup Final - Paul Tierney
DIR By: Leggy
Date: April 26, 2021, 1:00 am
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--- Quote from: Microscopist link ---
>
> In the 16th minute Reguilon made a blatant "professional" foul
on Foden to stop him getting away from him, as clear a yellow
card as you are likely to see. Shortly after that De Bruyne
decides that if this is the standard of refereeing he can
flatten Son after the ball has gone without reprisal. In the
28th minute Reguilon finally gets a yellow card for another rash
challenge. Surprised not to see the same indignation for
Reguilon not receiving a yellow card for the challenge on Foden
as for the Laporte challenges..
>
--- End Quote ---
This is why the correct term for a Yellow Card is a caution.
Its a warning that a repeat offence will result in being
dismissed from the field of play. I do realise that I am old
(in refereeing terms) and long retired, but we were taught - in
refereeing school - that when cautioning a player to actually
say to him that committing another cautionable offence will
result in dismissal.
You would like to think that had both "stick on" cautions been
correctly issued early in the game, the subsequent cautionable
offences would not have taken place and the game would have been
better for it. Less stoppages = more football. Sometimes a
referee just needs to apply the Laws to make it a better game.
(Also in the appointments thread - feel free to edit!)
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Re: Man City v Tottenham Carabao Cup Final - Paul Tierney
DIR By: Hendo
Date: April 26, 2021, 1:13 am
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Putting aside the question of yellows for Laporte and Regulion,
2 things which cannot be denied -
Firstly City completely overwhelmed Spurs and anything other
than victory would have been a travesty. It amuses me when teams
like City have 80% of the play, 29 shots to 2 and play some
wonderful attacking football without much luck while the
defending side are pinned in defence and throw their bodies on
the line and then get a break away goal and boldly claim “a
deserved victory”. I am thinking here of our games v Spurs
earlier in the season and the recent game v Leeds
Secondly Harry Kane once again went missing in a big game ( and
cry baby Son was even worse). Unfortunately for Kane he was not
playing against San Marino with the chance to become a national
hero with 2 penalties and a goal line tap in. I know someone
will use the fact he was recently injured but so was De Bruyne
and yesterday he was outstanding
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Re: Man City v Tottenham Carabao Cup Final - Paul Tierney
DIR By: ajb95
Date: April 26, 2021, 2:23 am
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Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been
exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they
want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And
scored only 1 goal.
Yes City might have been the better team on the day but doesn’t
mean you deserved to win.
That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they dominate
most of the games they are the better and more deserving side.
Football is about scoring goals!
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Re: Man City v Tottenham Carabao Cup Final - Paul Tierney
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: April 26, 2021, 4:30 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been
exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they
want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And
scored only 1 goal.
> Yes City might have been the better team on the day but
doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
>
> That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they
dominate most of the games they are the better and more
deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree with your point about passing the ball for passing's
sake and I have to say that City have become very proficient at
that but have lost some of the flair and enterprise that made
them so exciting to watch a couple of seasons ago. Maybe other
teams have learnt how best to try and nullify them.
Incidentally, it's a comment that can also be made of United at
times except their passing is less accurate!
However, I do think that what is important is the attempts at
goal. If they had 24 attempts yesterday, it shows they were
creating chances and the criticism becomes one of poor finishing
or choosing wrong options rather than non-creative passing.
There are occasions when a team has defended brilliantly but had
only 30% possession and has deserved to win in my view because
they have restricted their opponents to few chances but looked
dangerous on the counter attack.
As to Paul Tierney's performance, I tend to agree with Leggy's
point on applying the laws early. If a referee tries to manage
the game by being lenient early on, there is a risk the
situation can get out of hand and become more difficult to
control. Ask Mark Clattenburg about his experience in that
vital Spurs v Chelsea PL game a few seasons ago. However, it
seemed to me Tierney, having let off a player on each team
without a caution, realised he needed to be firmer and duly took
action, although from what I recall the subsequent cards were
straightforward decisions. And even Gary Neville pointed out
that if players had been cautioned sooner, they may well have
not committed the second offence.
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Re: Man City v Tottenham Carabao Cup Final - Paul Tierney
DIR By: Hendo
Date: April 26, 2021, 8:36 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been
exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they
want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And
scored only 1 goal.
> Yes City might have been the better team on the day but
doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
>
> That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they
dominate most of the games they are the better and more
deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
>
--- End Quote ---
What I would add is that most of City’s games in recent years
have been great to watch, with teams pulling out the stops to
try and beat them or reduce the damage. Very few City games turn
out to be drab affairs.
Contrast with Man Utd, their game v Leeds being their 8th 0 - 0
this season.
😴😴😴😴😴😴😴.
It remains one of this seasons great mysteries why such a boring
team is 2nd in the league.
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Re: Man City v Tottenham Carabao Cup Final - Paul Tierney
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: April 26, 2021, 9:16 am
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--- Quote from: Hendo link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2394.msg30424#msg30424
date=1619421826]
> Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been
exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they
want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And
scored only 1 goal.
> Yes City might have been the better team on the day but
doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
>
> That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they
dominate most of the games they are the better and more
deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
>
--- End Quote ---
What I would add is that most of City’s games in recent years
have been great to watch, with teams pulling out the stops to
try and beat them or reduce the damage. Very few City games turn
out to be drab affairs.
Contrast with Man Utd, their game v Leeds being their 8th 0 - 0
this season.
😴😴😴😴😴😴😴.
It remains one of this seasons great mysteries why such a boring
team is 2nd in the league.
[/quote]
It does appear to be gratuitously perverse to imply that the
leading scorers, and the team with the most shots, in the league
are not playing exciting attacking football.
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Re: Man City v Tottenham Carabao Cup Final - Paul Tierney
DIR By: ajb95
Date: April 26, 2021, 9:59 am
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--- Quote from: Microscopist link ---
>
> [quote author=Hendo link=topic=2394.msg30438#msg30438
date=1619444169]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2394.msg30424#msg30424
date=1619421826]
> Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been
exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they
want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And
scored only 1 goal.
> Yes City might have been the better team on the day but
doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
>
> That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they
dominate most of the games they are the better and more
deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
>
--- End Quote ---
What I would add is that most of City’s games in recent years
have been great to watch, with teams pulling out the stops to
try and beat them or reduce the damage. Very few City games turn
out to be drab affairs.
Contrast with Man Utd, their game v Leeds being their 8th 0 - 0
this season.
😴😴😴😴😴😴😴.
It remains one of this seasons great mysteries why such a boring
team is 2nd in the league.
[/quote]
It does appear to be gratuitously perverse to imply that the
leading scorers, and the team with the most shots, in the league
are not playing exciting attacking football.
[/quote]
Indeed but Chelsea won the league title in 2004 and 2005 and
United won it in 2003 but none of those I would say were amazing
swashbuckling sides - however all 3 teams were top scorers in
those seasons. Incidentally United have scored only 5 goals
fewer than City. I think the shots taken stat is a bit
misleading as it includes blocked shots which we all know
doesn’t really mean anything.
In fact many would argue that Leeds have been very exciting to
watch this season but they’ve scored fewer goals than Spurs who
many would say have been less exciting
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Re: Man City v Tottenham Carabao Cup Final - Paul Tierney
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: April 26, 2021, 10:25 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=2394.msg30440#msg30440
date=1619446589]
> [quote author=Hendo link=topic=2394.msg30438#msg30438
date=1619444169]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2394.msg30424#msg30424
date=1619421826]
> Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been
exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they
want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And
scored only 1 goal.
> Yes City might have been the better team on the day but
doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
>
> That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they
dominate most of the games they are the better and more
deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
>
--- End Quote ---
What I would add is that most of City’s games in recent years
have been great to watch, with teams pulling out the stops to
try and beat them or reduce the damage. Very few City games turn
out to be drab affairs.
Contrast with Man Utd, their game v Leeds being their 8th 0 - 0
this season.
😴😴😴😴😴😴😴.
It remains one of this seasons great mysteries why such a boring
team is 2nd in the league.
[/quote]
It does appear to be gratuitously perverse to imply that the
leading scorers, and the team with the most shots, in the league
are not playing exciting attacking football.
[/quote]
Indeed but Chelsea won the league title in 2004 and 2005 and
United won it in 2003 but none of those I would say were amazing
swashbuckling sides - however all 3 teams were top scorers in
those seasons. Incidentally United have scored only 5 goals
fewer than City. I think the shots taken stat is a bit
misleading as it includes blocked shots which we all know
doesn’t really mean anything.
In fact many would argue that Leeds have been very exciting to
watch this season but they’ve scored fewer goals than Spurs who
many would say have been less exciting
[/quote]
Of course, however. City were not the recipients of
Southampton's generosity.
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