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#Post#: 30173--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 20, 2021, 5:45 pm
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GameDay 2021 Thank you for all of the updates. Just one request
though - please turn your caps lock button off. If you need it
on for accessibility issues then that is acceptable, so please
just say if that is the case, but if not, it just makes you look
very shouty! Thank you
Good to see that by standing together fans, players & managers
seem to have put and end to this farce getting off the ground.
I'm not the biggest fan of FIFA or UEFA & like most of us, have
several issues with them but I think their hardline stance in
relation to this has been spot on. Their motivation may well be
different to us as fans but credit where it's due. There have
been a lot of big names in football stand up and be counted on
the right side of the game today.
It will be interesting to see where the game will go from here.
Not just in terms of sanctions against the 12, if any are
forthcoming, but whether it will ultimately lead to a bit of a
shake up in the infrastructure and make up of domestic leagues
and International competitions to prevent any further attempt at
this sort of thing. Oh and hopefully the FA will take a long
hard look at it's fit & proper persons test which is not fit for
purpose!
#Post#: 30174--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: ben
Date: April 20, 2021, 5:50 pm
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Glad it’s over.
Hopefully more apologies from the clubs come out. Fair play for
Arsenal being the only one to actually apologise in their
initial statement.
#Post#: 30178--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: GameDay2021
Date: April 21, 2021, 2:01 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> GameDay 2021 Thank you for all of the updates. Just one
request though - please turn your caps lock button off. If you
need it on for accessibility issues then that is acceptable, so
please just say if that is the case, but if not, it just makes
you look very shouty! Thank you
>
>
> Good to see that by standing together fans, players & managers
seem to have put and end to this farce getting off the ground.
I'm not the biggest fan of FIFA or UEFA & like most of us, have
several issues with them but I think their hardline stance in
relation to this has been spot on. Their motivation may well be
different to us as fans but credit where it's due. There have
been a lot of big names in football stand up and be counted on
the right side of the game today.
>
> It will be interesting to see where the game will go from
here. Not just in terms of sanctions against the 12, if any are
forthcoming, but whether it will ultimately lead to a bit of a
shake up in the infrastructure and make up of domestic leagues
and International competitions to prevent any further attempt at
this sort of thing. Oh and hopefully the FA will take a long
hard look at it's fit & proper persons test which is not fit for
purpose!
>
--- End Quote ---
Ye sorry ill turn it off for future posts
#Post#: 30180--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: April 21, 2021, 3:08 am
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I too am glad that, for now at least, the idea is dead.
I have to say I am somewhat amazed by the hero worshiping of
players for in my opinion quite mildly expressing a stance
against the super league. If any player were to come out in
support of the league they would have been met with massive
criticism so I don't quite understand how expressing the
opposite opinion earns them so much praise. Furthermore I didn't
actually see any player or manager say explicitly they would not
play/manage in it if it went ahead, just that they hoped it
didn't, I got the feeling that a major issue for some players,
quite reasonably, was that they weren't given advance notice. I
wonder if they had would that have influenced a small numbers
position on the matter.
I know it is easy to engage in player bashing and I don't want
to do that as obviously they can't control the reaction to their
actions, I am just at a loss at the level of praise for what are
to me, quite minor dissensions that came when the idea seemed
already to be dead in the water or close to it.
#Post#: 30181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 21, 2021, 3:18 am
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With reference to my reply #29, it appears the sword of Damocles
has been snapped in two. Good. Now is the time for some sober
reflection, not least by the fans who have been, quite rightly,
very vocal in the past few days.
Many fans, not all by any means but many, are totally opposed to
foreign owners except when one comes into offering a massive
cash injection ( often borrowed cash ) to their own club because
they think it will bring them success. They are right; it often
does. However, it is invariably ( with perhaps one or two noble
exceptions ) a Faustian pact. The owners will demand the soul of
the club. That is precisely what we have just witnessed with
this proposed Super League now, happily, strangled at birth. If
anything may be learned from this sorry business it might be to
reject the notion of "buying" success. However, I fear that big
business has its talons so firmly imbedded into the structure of
the game that this may be whistling in the dark.
I do believe the fans' voices have been heard; hence the mealy
mouthed apologies being uttered by the owners. Now is the time
for the fans to use this influence to try and shape for the good
the way their clubs are managed. It certainly won't be easy but
the effort to rescue the beautiful game from the clutches of
corporate management and big business is surely worth it.
#Post#: 30183--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: April 21, 2021, 5:44 am
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So within a year Liverpool and Manchester have proposed Project
Big Picture then voted against it and joined a Super League then
left it two days later. The executives of these two clubs
should hang their heads in shame and never consider getting
involved in restructuring proposals again.
#Post#: 30186--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Bakis
Date: April 21, 2021, 6:15 am
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Agreed, but sadly I predict with some confidence that they will
do neither of these things.
#Post#: 30187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: REDSTRIPE
Date: April 21, 2021, 6:42 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=REDSTRIPE link=topic=2369.msg30062#msg30062
date=1618828972]
> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=2369.msg30050#msg30050
date=1618815320]
> [emoji33]I waited for the official announcement hoping that my
club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the
"super" league. I'm saddened and a little surprised that we
would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded
from Europe on spurious grounds. Only a little surprised as
commercial interests have clearly taken preference over
principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into
play. Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities
at international, continental and national level to be inept I
don't have much confidence that this will improve matters. I
have posted before about the inevitability of football braking
into two codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I
know not, that there may be changes. Possibly games decided as
in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area
counting more points than those from within, a game of four
quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't
know?
> A straw ;poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.
What do I do? City are my club - I believe that my great
grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and
they have always been my team.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's tough to know what to do.......for what it is worth I won't
be renewing my Arsenal supporters club membership
[/quote]
It's people like you guys I feel the most for. Proper fans who
are having their clubs completely stolen away from them. We all
know the big clubs have many plastic armchair fans but they do
have a lot of real fans as well and it is the real fans that
will suffer. The armchair fans however, will continue to buy
their TV subscriptions and claim to be the top fan, never missed
a game etc. but the majority of them wouldn't be able to even
pinpoint the ground on a map, let actually alone go to a game.
More than ever I am glad I don't support a big team. I struggled
enough with AFCB going into the PL. My little tinpot club that I
thought nothing of jumping in a car and driving for 8 hours to
Carlisle to watch them in League 2 (maybe league 1) and them
getting hammered 3-0 - bank holiday Monday many years ago. I'd
do that time and again. Rarely missed a game home or away. We
had no money, we were on 1st name terms with the bailiffs, our
squad was threadbare but there was something special about it
all, it was our club. As soon as they reached the PL, they
stopped being my little tin pot club and became a corporate
entity and I hated it. I watched the first season in the PL,
well most games anyway and held a season ticket for the next 3
years although never attended, nor did I watch the games on TV.
I gave my season tickets to a fan led charity that used them
each game to send a disabled or terminally ill child and their
carer to a game. A little bit of magic for those kids. Then for
the first time in 25 years I gave up my season ticket, it was
easier than I thought. I'd go and meet up with team ref for a
coffee (if they are friends of mine) and then go home and watch
the NBI. I live just 7 miles from the ground. I remember one
such coffee meeting, when I asked the referee who they were
playing that day - the look of shock on his face is still with
me. He's known me 20 odd years and he said something like, he
never thought he'd see my love for my club die and in all the
years he'd known me, I'd know every result, every goal scorer,
every referee (and what colour shirt they had worn), every
attendance figure etc and now I didn't even know who the
opposition were. It was at the end of that season I didn't
bother renewing my ST. They're still my team, to a degree. You
don't lose 40+ years of following a club completely. I was 3
weeks old when I went to my first game but my heart went out of
it due to the money league.
Covid aside I'd think nothing of jumping on a plane to Budapest
on a Friday morning, watching live NBI games on Fri night,
Saturday & Sunday, possibly a non league game (I have 2 non
leagues teams in Budapest), possibly an NBII game as well - kick
off times dependant and flying back to the UK on Sunday night. I
did that one weekend when AFCB were away to Man Utd in the PL.
It cost me the same for the flights, my travel cards in Hungary
& food, accommodation is free for me there, as it would have to
have gone to the Man U game & I know which was better value and
what a fab weekend I had.
[/quote]I still won't be renewing my Arsenal supporters club
membership.
Been gradually falling out of love with football.........VAR
hasn't helped!!!
#Post#: 30190--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 21, 2021, 7:40 am
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--- Quote from: REDSTRIPE link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=2369.msg30065#msg30065
date=1618837360]
> [quote author=REDSTRIPE link=topic=2369.msg30062#msg30062
date=1618828972]
> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=2369.msg30050#msg30050
date=1618815320]
> [emoji33]I waited for the official announcement hoping that my
club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the
"super" league. I'm saddened and a little surprised that we
would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded
from Europe on spurious grounds. Only a little surprised as
commercial interests have clearly taken preference over
principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into
play. Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities
at international, continental and national level to be inept I
don't have much confidence that this will improve matters. I
have posted before about the inevitability of football braking
into two codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I
know not, that there may be changes. Possibly games decided as
in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area
counting more points than those from within, a game of four
quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't
know?
> A straw ;poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.
What do I do? City are my club - I believe that my great
grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and
they have always been my team.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's tough to know what to do.......for what it is worth I won't
be renewing my Arsenal supporters club membership
[/quote]
It's people like you guys I feel the most for. Proper fans who
are having their clubs completely stolen away from them. We all
know the big clubs have many plastic armchair fans but they do
have a lot of real fans as well and it is the real fans that
will suffer. The armchair fans however, will continue to buy
their TV subscriptions and claim to be the top fan, never missed
a game etc. but the majority of them wouldn't be able to even
pinpoint the ground on a map, let actually alone go to a game.
More than ever I am glad I don't support a big team. I struggled
enough with AFCB going into the PL. My little tinpot club that I
thought nothing of jumping in a car and driving for 8 hours to
Carlisle to watch them in League 2 (maybe league 1) and them
getting hammered 3-0 - bank holiday Monday many years ago. I'd
do that time and again. Rarely missed a game home or away. We
had no money, we were on 1st name terms with the bailiffs, our
squad was threadbare but there was something special about it
all, it was our club. As soon as they reached the PL, they
stopped being my little tin pot club and became a corporate
entity and I hated it. I watched the first season in the PL,
well most games anyway and held a season ticket for the next 3
years although never attended, nor did I watch the games on TV.
I gave my season tickets to a fan led charity that used them
each game to send a disabled or terminally ill child and their
carer to a game. A little bit of magic for those kids. Then for
the first time in 25 years I gave up my season ticket, it was
easier than I thought. I'd go and meet up with team ref for a
coffee (if they are friends of mine) and then go home and watch
the NBI. I live just 7 miles from the ground. I remember one
such coffee meeting, when I asked the referee who they were
playing that day - the look of shock on his face is still with
me. He's known me 20 odd years and he said something like, he
never thought he'd see my love for my club die and in all the
years he'd known me, I'd know every result, every goal scorer,
every referee (and what colour shirt they had worn), every
attendance figure etc and now I didn't even know who the
opposition were. It was at the end of that season I didn't
bother renewing my ST. They're still my team, to a degree. You
don't lose 40+ years of following a club completely. I was 3
weeks old when I went to my first game but my heart went out of
it due to the money league.
Covid aside I'd think nothing of jumping on a plane to Budapest
on a Friday morning, watching live NBI games on Fri night,
Saturday & Sunday, possibly a non league game (I have 2 non
leagues teams in Budapest), possibly an NBII game as well - kick
off times dependant and flying back to the UK on Sunday night. I
did that one weekend when AFCB were away to Man Utd in the PL.
It cost me the same for the flights, my travel cards in Hungary
& food, accommodation is free for me there, as it would have to
have gone to the Man U game & I know which was better value and
what a fab weekend I had.
[/quote]I still won't be renewing my Arsenal supporters club
membership.
Been gradually falling out of love with football.........VAR
hasn't helped!!!
[/quote]
I have always said that, in sporting terms, football was my
spouse and rugby my mistress. I am now no longer so sure of
those designated roles.
#Post#: 30191--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 21, 2021, 8:07 am
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--- Quote from: REDSTRIPE link ---
>
> I still won't be renewing my Arsenal supporters club
membership.
> Been gradually falling out of love with football.........VAR
hasn't helped!!!
>
--- End Quote ---
I understand. I reached that point the more successful AFCB
became, you'd think years of bailiffs and being in L1 & 2
dreaming of a better future for your club would lead to loving
it actually happen. Instead I watched my club become less and
less of being my club and more and more of a corporate money
machine and I hated it. It was my love for the sheer simplicity
and randomness of the NBI that restored my love of football. I
went from just watching Kassai's games or the highlights of his
games 10/12 years ago to the current place of watching every
single game every week. I've not missed a single NBI game in 5
years. Even when I have been out in Hungary for games I catch up
on all the other games I might miss live either on the TV
channel as they get repeated during the week or on the sports
channel website where videos of the games remain available for
3/4 months. The PL can keep it's millionaires I'll be sticking
to my imperfect league with it's tactically questionable players
and several moments of comedy gold - normally down to the
defenders (and I use the term loosely) who play for my team! I
hope you find something, a non league team or obscure league
somewhere, that restores your love & passion for the game.
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