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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: April 20, 2021, 8:20 am
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Our Chairman Shad Khan has also come out to oppose it.. and he
is an American.
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: LateTackle
Date: April 20, 2021, 8:29 am
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Whilst I don't think this is a good idea, I don't see what can
be done to stop the breakaway teams if they wish to go. I
remember the same arguments when the Premier League was set up,
when they threatened to ditch the FA as well as the FL.
Stopping players turning out for England is hardly a deterrent.
At the end of the day it's all about money.
I recall when Kerry Packer revolutionised cricket, the banned
players went off to play for him regardless. They were
eventually invited back. Even now, top players prioritise the
IPL because that's where the money is. So eventually there will
be a compromise with the top clubs getting more or less what
they want.
To demonstrate my opposition to the plans, I am announcing now
that I will never pay to watch Coventry City play in any
European Super League. So there!
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: jad
Date: April 20, 2021, 8:59 am
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I think that some sort of European league is probably inevitable
and I also think that it could work, provided that it is set up
under the aegis of UEFA and that it is carefully built into the
pre-existing structure of European football. Far from being a
closed structure, such a league would have promotion and
relegation and to accommodate as many countries as possible
might well have several divisions.
Unlike the proposed league, which seems to me to be a blatant
attempt to introduce an American-type structure into European
football (which might offer some clues for where the idea
originated). The problem is that the anti-competitive elements
of the American system (e.g. lack of relegation) are mitigated
by artificial devices such as player drafts and salary caps.
It is also the case, in my view, that the sporting cultures of
Europe and North America are very different.
The second point about the proposed league is that it appears to
be born not out of wealth-inspired confidence, but out of
financial desperation: several of the clubs are in dire
financial straits, and they are expecting that the money
associated with the new league, wherever it is supposed to be
coming from, will help to bail them out.
But the real question is: where will the VAR room be located?
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: TVOS
Date: April 20, 2021, 9:09 am
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--- Quote from: Microscopist link ---
>
> [emoji33]I waited for the official announcement hoping that my
club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the
"super" league. I'm saddened and a little surprised that we
would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded
from Europe on spurious grounds. Only a little surprised as
commercial interests have clearly taken preference over
principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into
play. Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities
at international, continental and national level to be inept I
don't have much confidence that this will improve matters. I
have posted before about the inevitability of football breaking
into two codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I
know not, that there may be changes. Possibly games decided as
in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area
counting more points than those from within, a game of four
quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't
know?
> A straw poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.
What do I do? City are my club - I believe that my great
grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and
they have always been my team.
>
--- End Quote ---
Why did you think City wouldn't be one of the clubs?
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 20, 2021, 9:23 am
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> Our Chairman Shad Khan has also come out to oppose it.. and he
is an American.
>
--- End Quote ---
There are a lot starting to speak now & it's good to see.
Marcus Rashford has spoken out against it as well & there has
been a meeting of club captains who are also starting to speak
out against it. They will hold more sway with the big 6
directors than fans will especially as these are some of the
players they want to be taking with them.
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: April 20, 2021, 11:10 am
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Amongst all the Super League fanfare the latest revamp of the
Champions League was officially announced by UEFA. The group
stage will now consist of one group of 36 clubs each playing ten
games with the top 8 progressing to the last sixteen and those
placed nine to 24 playing off for a place in the last sixteen.
That means there will be 180 games played to eliminate eight
teams with the likelihood being that three wins out of ten games
will be enough to go through. Lots of dead rubbers, very little
jeopardy. It sounds even duller than the proposed Super League,
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: takethejag
Date: April 20, 2021, 11:31 am
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> Our Chairman Shad Khan has also come out to oppose it.. and he
is an American.
>
--- End Quote ---
But he hopes the six will leave, then at least we won't get
relegated this season :D
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: April 20, 2021, 12:00 pm
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
>
> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=2369.msg30050#msg30050
date=1618815320]
> [emoji33]I waited for the official announcement hoping that my
club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the
"super" league. I'm saddened and a little surprised that we
would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded
from Europe on spurious grounds. Only a little surprised as
commercial interests have clearly taken preference over
principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into
play. Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities
at international, continental and national level to be inept I
don't have much confidence that this will improve matters. I
have posted before about the inevitability of football breaking
into two codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I
know not, that there may be changes. Possibly games decided as
in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area
counting more points than those from within, a game of four
quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't
know?
> A straw poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.
What do I do? City are my club - I believe that my great
grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and
they have always been my team.
>
--- End Quote ---
Why did you think City wouldn't be one of the clubs?
[/quote]
Well 0f the 12/15(14 now Bayern have apparently withdrawn) City,
followed by Chelsea, seem to have the least to gain and the most
to lose. So far as I can gather we are not in debt and don't
need ready cash. Most of the others appear to have have
substantial debt, particularly the Spanish clubs - so why help
them out? Most of these clubs, especially the English teams who
play in red, seem to have had a lot of influence in the Premier
League, English FA and UEFA and used it to devise and execute
FFP to stop City and other teams breaking into their cartel. In
time I'd expect them to turn on us again within the new
structure. So apart from any moral or sentimental
considerations I didn't think it made sense. Of course we now
have sold shares to USA and Chinese organisations and
particularly the USA shareholders may have applied pressure on
us.
During City's appeal to CAS about the FFP ban there were two or
three City fans who seemed to have inside sources in the club,
rumoured to be the tea lady [emoji57]. None of these seem to
have any inkling to the rationale. One suggests that it is
either a cunning plan to get revenge on those who encouraged
UEFA to pursue the FFP claim or a monumental ...... If it is a
cunning plan it would seem to be one that would fit in a
Blackadder plot. Bayern's plan seems better to me.
Guardiola appears to have asked for a public explanation of the
rationale - several players retweeted it and then unretweeted
[emoji44]
[img]
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: ajb95
Date: April 20, 2021, 12:33 pm
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--- Quote from: Microscopist link ---
>
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=2369.msg30125#msg30125
date=1618927778]
> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=2369.msg30050#msg30050
date=1618815320]
> [emoji33]I waited for the official announcement hoping that my
club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the
"super" league. I'm saddened and a little surprised that we
would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded
from Europe on spurious grounds. Only a little surprised as
commercial interests have clearly taken preference over
principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into
play. Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities
at international, continental and national level to be inept I
don't have much confidence that this will improve matters. I
have posted before about the inevitability of football breaking
into two codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I
know not, that there may be changes. Possibly games decided as
in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area
counting more points than those from within, a game of four
quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't
know?
> A straw poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.
What do I do? City are my club - I believe that my great
grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and
they have always been my team.
>
--- End Quote ---
Why did you think City wouldn't be one of the clubs?
[/quote]
Well 0f the 12/15(14 now Bayern have apparently withdrawn) City,
followed by Chelsea, seem to have the least to gain and the most
to lose. So far as I can gather we are not in debt and don't
need ready cash. Most of the others appear to have have
substantial debt, particularly the Spanish clubs - so why help
them out? Most of these clubs, especially the English teams who
play in red, seem to have had a lot of influence in the Premier
League, English FA and UEFA and used it to devise and execute
FFP to stop City and other teams breaking into their cartel. In
time I'd expect them to turn on us again within the new
structure. So apart from any moral or sentimental
considerations I didn't think it made sense. Of course we now
have sold shares to USA and Chinese organisations and
particularly the USA shareholders may have applied pressure on
us.
During City's appeal to CAS about the FFP ban there were two or
three City fans who seemed to have inside sources in the club,
rumoured to be the tea lady [emoji57]. None of these seem to
have any inkling to the rationale. One suggests that it is
either a cunning plan to get revenge on those who encouraged
UEFA to pursue the FFP claim or a monumental ...... If it is a
cunning plan it would seem to be one that would fit in a
Blackadder plot. Bayern's plan seems better to me.
Guardiola appears to have asked for a public explanation of the
rationale - several players retweeted it and then unretweeted
[emoji44]
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzbKbehX0AIIw4L?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
[/quote]
But it was proved that City had broken FFP rules just like PSG.
They did what all the other "elite" clubs would have done and
made sure they paid a small fine to guarantee their ongoing
participation. On the outside, City may show themselves as a
different and doing things differently, but beneath all of it is
the same disgusting backhanded selfish arrogance that all the
elite clubs wash themselves with; they are no different!
That being said Microsopist I do agree that we should not be
bailing out the indebted clubs. Yes, the big clubs have lost a
lot of money as a result of the pandemic, but so have the
thousands of clubs around the world not to mention the affect it
has had on the 7 billion people across the world. If they cannot
run their clubs properly and sustainably, they shouldnt be
running them. ENd of!
#Post#: 30144--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: April 20, 2021, 12:48 pm
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Now these clowns in charge of these clubs have provoked mass
protests outside grounds during a pandemic.
These tools in command of these six money grabbers should be
held to task.
Looks like Petr Cech is now involved in the crowd telling them
to get out the way so the team coaches can get in.
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