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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: April 19, 2021, 3:25 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> Apparently going to be a midweek competition with clubs
continuing to play in their national competitions at the
weekends (BBC). On that basis, I can see it happening.
>
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In which case there is absolutely 0 chance of any other team
other than these 6 scooping all the domestic awards with all the
money they’ll have to splash out.
It stinks, quite bluntly, and these teams must be severely
punished NOW to send a message that these money grabbing bar
stewards of owners will not succeed.
Kick them out, and I for one would love to see the reaction of
players banned from playing for their nations!
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: guest42
Date: April 19, 2021, 3:30 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> Apparently going to be a midweek competition with clubs
continuing to play in their national competitions at the
weekends (BBC). On that basis, I can see it happening.
>
--- End Quote ---
Uefa’s stance on all this: there’s an executive committee
meeting today in Switzerland. Italian journo Fabrizio Romano
reports Europe’s governing body is on the same page as FIFA, the
Premier League, Serie A and La Liga in that teams will be banned
from the Champions League and domestic leagues if they take part
in the European Super League.
One senior executive at a Premier League club outside the big
six has told the Guardian he believes the League will move to
kick out the clubs involved in the European Super League and
that they will continue with their plans regardless.
Ed Woodward has just stood down from Uefa’s Professional
Football Strategy Council.
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Claretman
Date: April 19, 2021, 3:38 am
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The first thing i would like to see is that fans when allowed
back in, and it may be a while before full capacities are
allowed, boycott all the home games played by the money grabbing
founder members of the so called super league.
Secondly the clubs should be thrown out of their own national
competitions.
Any players, officials and staff of said clubs at the
inauguration of the super league should be expelled from all
National, fifa and eufa tournaments indefinately ( any match
officials defecting to the league simarlarly ).
If the super league fails all member clubs of 5he super league,
should have to enter their national competitions at the lowest
level.
Let us hope that the super league clubs have to broadcast their
games on their own tv channels only, then fans can vote with
their subscriptions.
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: ajb95
Date: April 19, 2021, 3:55 am
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--- Quote from: BAFRA #217 link ---
>
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=2369.msg30055#msg30055
date=1618818934]
> Apparently going to be a midweek competition with clubs
continuing to play in their national competitions at the
weekends (BBC). On that basis, I can see it happening.
>
--- End Quote ---
Uefa’s stance on all this: there’s an executive committee
meeting today in Switzerland. Italian journo Fabrizio Romano
reports Europe’s governing body is on the same page as FIFA, the
Premier League, Serie A and La Liga in that teams will be banned
from the Champions League and domestic leagues if they take part
in the European Super League.
One senior executive at a Premier League club outside the big
six has told the Guardian he believes the League will move to
kick out the clubs involved in the European Super League and
that they will continue with their plans regardless.
Ed Woodward has just stood down from Uefa’s Professional
Football Strategy Council.
[/quote]
My best friend was a Man United season ticket holder. He says Ed
Woodward and the owners (Glazer family) are nothing but
parasites who have bled the club dry. He gave up his Season
ticket when the glazers took over the club and is now thinking
of renouncing his support all together.
I can tell you that the players will not be happy, and if these
clubs are stripped of all cups and titles they’ve ever won the
fans and former people won’t be happy either.
The commercialisation and the Americanisation of the English
game has been nothing short of disgraceful. If these clubs want
to go let them go, they’ll soon get bored in a closed shop
league playing the same people every week/year in intense free,
contactless football in front of plastic fans in some dead end
stadium.
And when they do get bored and want to come back, we can all
tell them where to stick it!
Enough is enough. It’s time for us as normal people to taken
back control of football from corporate greed, parasitical
owners and ineffective and useless football administrators!
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: REDSTRIPE
Date: April 19, 2021, 5:42 am
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--- Quote from: Microscopist link ---
>
> [emoji33]I waited for the official announcement hoping that my
club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the
"super" league. I'm saddened and a little surprised that we
would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded
from Europe on spurious grounds. Only a little surprised as
commercial interests have clearly taken preference over
principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into
play. Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities
at international, continental and national level to be inept I
don't have much confidence that this will improve matters. I
have posted before about the inevitability of football braking
into two codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I
know not, that there may be changes. Possibly games decided as
in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area
counting more points than those from within, a game of four
quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't
know?
> A straw ;poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.
What do I do? City are my club - I believe that my great
grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and
they have always been my team.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's tough to know what to do.......for what it is worth I won't
be renewing my Arsenal supporters club membership
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 19, 2021, 7:23 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> Apparently going to be a midweek competition with clubs
continuing to play in their national competitions at the
weekends (BBC). On that basis, I can see it happening.
>
--- End Quote ---
UEFA say they will be banned from domestic leagues & from
representing their national teams if they go ahead with it and
quite right as well.
HTML https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384131697361317889
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 19, 2021, 8:02 am
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--- Quote from: REDSTRIPE link ---
>
> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=2369.msg30050#msg30050
date=1618815320]
> [emoji33]I waited for the official announcement hoping that my
club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the
"super" league. I'm saddened and a little surprised that we
would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded
from Europe on spurious grounds. Only a little surprised as
commercial interests have clearly taken preference over
principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into
play. Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities
at international, continental and national level to be inept I
don't have much confidence that this will improve matters. I
have posted before about the inevitability of football braking
into two codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I
know not, that there may be changes. Possibly games decided as
in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area
counting more points than those from within, a game of four
quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't
know?
> A straw ;poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.
What do I do? City are my club - I believe that my great
grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and
they have always been my team.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's tough to know what to do.......for what it is worth I won't
be renewing my Arsenal supporters club membership
[/quote]
It's people like you guys I feel the most for. Proper fans who
are having their clubs completely stolen away from them. We all
know the big clubs have many plastic armchair fans but they do
have a lot of real fans as well and it is the real fans that
will suffer. The armchair fans however, will continue to buy
their TV subscriptions and claim to be the top fan, never missed
a game etc. but the majority of them wouldn't be able to even
pinpoint the ground on a map, let actually alone go to a game.
More than ever I am glad I don't support a big team. I struggled
enough with AFCB going into the PL. My little tinpot club that I
thought nothing of jumping in a car and driving for 8 hours to
Carlisle to watch them in League 2 (maybe league 1) and them
getting hammered 3-0 - bank holiday Monday many years ago. I'd
do that time and again. Rarely missed a game home or away. We
had no money, we were on 1st name terms with the bailiffs, our
squad was threadbare but there was something special about it
all, it was our club. As soon as they reached the PL, they
stopped being my little tin pot club and became a corporate
entity and I hated it. I watched the first season in the PL,
well most games anyway and held a season ticket for the next 3
years although never attended, nor did I watch the games on TV.
I gave my season tickets to a fan led charity that used them
each game to send a disabled or terminally ill child and their
carer to a game. A little bit of magic for those kids. Then for
the first time in 25 years I gave up my season ticket, it was
easier than I thought. I'd go and meet up with team ref for a
coffee (if they are friends of mine) and then go home and watch
the NBI. I live just 7 miles from the ground. I remember one
such coffee meeting, when I asked the referee who they were
playing that day - the look of shock on his face is still with
me. He's known me 20 odd years and he said something like, he
never thought he'd see my love for my club die and in all the
years he'd known me, I'd know every result, every goal scorer,
every referee (and what colour shirt they had worn), every
attendance figure etc and now I didn't even know who the
opposition were. It was at the end of that season I didn't
bother renewing my ST. They're still my team, to a degree. You
don't lose 40+ years of following a club completely. I was 3
weeks old when I went to my first game but my heart went out of
it due to the money league.
Covid aside I'd think nothing of jumping on a plane to Budapest
on a Friday morning, watching live NBI games on Fri night,
Saturday & Sunday, possibly a non league game (I have 2 non
leagues teams in Budapest), possibly an NBII game as well - kick
off times dependant and flying back to the UK on Sunday night. I
did that one weekend when AFCB were away to Man Utd in the PL.
It cost me the same for the flights, my travel cards in Hungary
& food, accommodation is free for me there, as it would have to
have gone to the Man U game & I know which was better value and
what a fab weekend I had.
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: April 19, 2021, 8:48 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=REDSTRIPE link=topic=2369.msg30062#msg30062
date=1618828972]
> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=2369.msg30050#msg30050
date=1618815320]
> [emoji33]I waited for the official announcement hoping that my
club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the
"super" league. I'm saddened and a little surprised that we
would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded
from Europe on spurious grounds. Only a little surprised as
commercial interests have clearly taken preference over
principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into
play. Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities
at international, continental and national level to be inept I
don't have much confidence that this will improve matters. I
have posted before about the inevitability of football braking
into two codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I
know not, that there may be changes. Possibly games decided as
in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area
counting more points than those from within, a game of four
quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't
know?
> A straw ;poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.
What do I do? City are my club - I believe that my great
grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and
they have always been my team.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's tough to know what to do.......for what it is worth I won't
be renewing my Arsenal supporters club membership
[/quote]
It's people like you guys I feel the most for. Proper fans who
are having their clubs completely stolen away from them. We all
know the big clubs have many plastic armchair fans but they do
have a lot of real fans as well and it is the real fans that
will suffer. The armchair fans however, will continue to buy
their TV subscriptions and claim to be the top fan, never missed
a game etc. but the majority of them wouldn't be able to even
pinpoint the ground on a map, let actually alone go to a game.
More than ever I am glad I don't support a big team. I struggled
enough with AFCB going into the PL. My little tinpot club that I
thought nothing of jumping in a car and driving for 8 hours to
Carlisle to watch them in League 2 (maybe league 1) and them
getting hammered 3-0 - bank holiday Monday many years ago. I'd
do that time and again. Rarely missed a game home or away. We
had no money, we were on 1st name terms with the bailiffs, our
squad was threadbare but there was something special about it
all, it was our club. As soon as they reached the PL, they
stopped being my little tin pot club and became a corporate
entity and I hated it. I watched the first season in the PL,
well most games anyway and held a season ticket for the next 3
years although never attended, nor did I watch the games on TV.
I gave my season tickets to a fan led charity that used them
each game to send a disabled or terminally ill child and their
carer to a game. A little bit of magic for those kids. Then for
the first time in 25 years I gave up my season ticket, it was
easier than I thought. I'd go and meet up with team ref for a
coffee (if they are friends of mine) and then go home and watch
the NBI. I live just 7 miles from the ground. I remember one
such coffee meeting, when I asked the referee who they were
playing that day - the look of shock on his face is still with
me. He's known me 20 odd years and he said something like, he
never thought he'd see my love for my club die and in all the
years he'd known me, I'd know every result, every goal scorer,
every referee (and what colour shirt they had worn), every
attendance figure etc and now I didn't even know who the
opposition were. It was at the end of that season I didn't
bother renewing my ST. They're still my team, to a degree. You
don't lose 40+ years of following a club completely. I was 3
weeks old when I went to my first game but my heart went out of
it due to the money league.
Covid aside I'd think nothing of jumping on a plane to Budapest
on a Friday morning, watching live NBI games on Fri night,
Saturday & Sunday, possibly a non league game (I have 2 non
leagues teams in Budapest), possibly an NBII game as well - kick
off times dependant and flying back to the UK on Sunday night. I
did that one weekend when AFCB were away to Man Utd in the PL.
It cost me the same for the flights, my travel cards in Hungary
& food, accommodation is free for me there, as it would have to
have gone to the Man U game & I know which was better value and
what a fab weekend I had.
[/quote]
Interesting read, bmb, and it reminds me of the thoughts of the
much hated former Chairman of Burnley, a certain Bob Lord, who
prophesied in the early 1960s that there would be a European
League at some time in the future, something that filled him
with foreboding because of what it would do to football in this
country.
Your thoughts on supporting AFCB in the PL are very much the
same as mine in supporting Burnley over the last few seasons. I
have been going for 69 years and seen 8 promotions and 8
relegations covering all 4 divisions of the league and suffering
a last game against Orient in May 1987 when we could easily have
become a non-League club!
Since 1966 I have not lived nearer than 100 miles from Turf Moor
and, after my personal involvement both playing and officiating
wherever I was, I decided to renew my season ticket in 1990 and
have done so each year since, completing a 300 mile return trip
to home games. However, unless we are relegated this season, I
am fairly certain that I will not renew for next season because
I have had enough of the play-acting, use of VAR and the general
way the game is going at the highest level.
Obviously, should the breakway happen, this will not affect my
small club, however, there are so many real fans who are in
exactly the same situation as bmb and myself and who have a
family tradition going back many years of supporting their club.
I imagine that they will feel totally let down by their clubs
who will be seen to be greedy should they pursue the breakaway.
#Post#: 30068--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: April 19, 2021, 9:15 am
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Ceferin hasn’t minced his words one bit... I thought he was
quite polite when he refered to these traitors as “snakes”.
Premier league meeting tomorrow.... let’s hope they have the
balls to kick out these money grabbing ***eholes from infecting
the game with pure evil.
#Post#: 30069--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 19, 2021, 9:21 am
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I think my view is that this is an attempt by the "big" Clubs to
hold the Sword of Damocles over UEFA in order to further their
aims in altering the Champions League in their favour with
automatic entry each season irrespective of domestic league
position and a far bigger share of the cash generated by TV
rights.
It's a sign, should one be necessary, of the moral bankruptcy
which is now endemic in football as big business. Things like
history, fans, heritage and all that has made football our
National game for over a hundred and fifty years have been
jettisoned for the sake of chasing the money. These owners and
Chief Executives, in Oscar Wilde's famous definition of
cynicism, know "the price of everything and the value of nothing
" Let them go, don't let them back and somehow see if football
can regain a vestige of its soul.
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