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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: rustyref
Date: April 18, 2021, 2:37 pm
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--- Quote from: BAFRA #217 link ---
>
> Interesting that the Premier League are having a massive
tantrum at the thought of some of their clubs leaving for a
bigger league with the offer of more TV and prize money.
>
> Welcome to 1992…
>
--- End Quote ---
The two situations are very different. The initial clubs into
the Premier League in 1992 were based on the previous Football
League standings. This new "elite" league will have Spurs and
Arsenal, who aren't even in the top six clubs in England let
alone Europe. Plus from day one the PL had open promotion and
relegation, whereas this new proposal is a closed shop.
You are comparing chalk and cheese to be fair.
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: AFAref
Date: April 18, 2021, 3:27 pm
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so UEFA are upset over this "cynical project", because it's
usurped their cynical project that they were announcing tomorrow
that would take out another 4 midweeks of league football, and
the Premier League are upset because they have been stitched up
by their top clubs just like they did to the FA in 1992. I'm
afraid they both reap what they sow.
If the Premier League could have got away with a closed shop in
1992 then they would have, and the majority of top players are
mercenaries and play for the money, not the badge or the
club/country. If they are offered a million a week to play in
this, they will be happy to forgo international honours, and why
wouldn't they, they would be stupid not to.
Again with the referee's. you won't get the up and coming
officials as they may well want a honour, but if you were the
likes of a several season top divison official or one towards
the end of an onfield careeer, then why wouldn't you go where
the money is. The Premier League, and Sky, made these top clubs
big businesses and got their players big money, so all this
virtue signalling by them now is a bit rich.
The only people I feel sorry for are loyal fans, the ones who
have season tickets and/or followed their teams home and away
for many years who will either be priced out of tickets
(although with the incoming monies from elsewhere that shouldn't
happen) or not be able to afford the travel costs or time off
work to attend like they have
I say let them go. Supporters will soon get fed up with it,
people will switch off and they won't have a product to sell. I
presume BT and Sky won't be showing it, the amount of whining
they have been doing about it. Kids will start supporting their
local teams again, and not be priced out of going. Maybe, just
maybe, we start to get our sport back out of the hands of the
businessmen and into those who care about the game
#Post#: 30047--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: ajb95
Date: April 18, 2021, 3:38 pm
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New champions league rules have been voted in so the “elite”
clubs will be guaranteed a Cl place no matter what. Association
football is based equal opportunity and meritocracy.
These owners have ZERO interest in the fans (selling a
commercial product) or ordinary people (staff being furloughed)
yet line their own pockets.
It’s nothing but a greedy sell out to make the rich richer. Kick
them all out strip them of everything they’ve ever won and see
how they feel when they won’t be allowed back when it all fails.
NB. I think Bayern/PSG have refused to take part so haven’t been
invited which is a bit rich for PSG in particular considering
their financial clout!
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Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: April 19, 2021, 1:55 am
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[emoji33]I waited for the official announcement hoping that my
club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the
"super" league. I'm saddened and a little surprised that we
would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded
from Europe on spurious grounds. Only a little surprised as
commercial interests have clearly taken preference over
principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into
play. Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities
at international, continental and national level to be inept I
don't have much confidence that this will improve matters. I
have posted before about the inevitability of football breaking
into two codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I
know not, that there may be changes. Possibly games decided as
in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area
counting more points than those from within, a game of four
quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't
know?
A straw poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against. What
do I do? City are my club - I believe that my great
grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and
they have always been my team.
#Post#: 30051--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Hendo
Date: April 19, 2021, 2:23 am
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--- Quote from: JCFC link ---
>
> When Paul wrote to Timothy that "The love of money is the root
of all evil," he was perhaps overstating the case, but in the
realm of professional football, he would not be too far wide of
the mark.
>
> Given the risks involved, my suspicion is that the Dirty Dozen
are indulging in a spot of posturing and muscle-flexing - a sort
of haka designed to intimidate UEFA ahead of tomorrow's meeting,
with a view to wringing possible concessions. The response from
the various federations is most encouraging, however, and it is
to be hoped that they don't weaken.
>
> If however the clubs go through with their threat, I foresee
vast profits - for members of the legal profession, who are
doubtless rubbing their hands with glee.
>
> As for referees, any gain for them (and assistants) would be
short-lived, if it is assumed that only those with no further
prospects would accept the chalice. Woild FIFA retirees be
prepared to forego a possible quarter century of foreign trips
as observers, goodwill and prospects within their home
federatons for a lucrative, but brief offer of pieces of silver?
The ones who might be tempted are those who never made the FIFA
list: I have no doubt that Lee Mason, for example, could
referee a Milan derby successfully and Andy Woolmer, say, El
Classico, but I imagine they would not succumb to temptation.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is a serious, potentially damaging state of affairs and
nothing to laugh or smile about.
However my heartfelt thanks to JCFC for lightening the tone with
his suggestion that Lee Mason could referee the Milan Derby and
Andy Woolmer El Classico. I chuckled myself to sleep last night
at the prospect. 😄😂😄😂
Might grandad Walton be tempted out of retirement?
#Post#: 30053--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: guest42
Date: April 19, 2021, 2:27 am
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--- Quote from: Hendo link ---
>
> [quote author=JCFC link=topic=2369.msg30042#msg30042
date=1618774333]
> When Paul wrote to Timothy that "The love of money is the root
of all evil," he was perhaps overstating the case, but in the
realm of professional football, he would not be too far wide of
the mark.
>
> Given the risks involved, my suspicion is that the Dirty Dozen
are indulging in a spot of posturing and muscle-flexing - a sort
of haka designed to intimidate UEFA ahead of tomorrow's meeting,
with a view to wringing possible concessions. The response from
the various federations is most encouraging, however, and it is
to be hoped that they don't weaken.
>
> If however the clubs go through with their threat, I foresee
vast profits - for members of the legal profession, who are
doubtless rubbing their hands with glee.
>
> As for referees, any gain for them (and assistants) would be
short-lived, if it is assumed that only those with no further
prospects would accept the chalice. Woild FIFA retirees be
prepared to forego a possible quarter century of foreign trips
as observers, goodwill and prospects within their home
federatons for a lucrative, but brief offer of pieces of silver?
The ones who might be tempted are those who never made the FIFA
list: I have no doubt that Lee Mason, for example, could
referee a Milan derby successfully and Andy Woolmer, say, El
Classico, but I imagine they would not succumb to temptation.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is a serious, potentially damaging state of affairs and
nothing to laugh or smile about.
However my heartfelt thanks to JCFC for lightening the tone with
his suggestion that Lee Mason could referee the Milan Derby and
Andy Woolmer El Classico. I chuckled myself to sleep last night
at the prospect. 😄😂😄😂
Might grandad Walton be tempted out of retirement?
[/quote]
I hear the Kettle is starting to boil with the prospect of
officiating the Super League Grand Final next year
#Post#: 30054--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: GameDay2021
Date: April 19, 2021, 2:35 am
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I doubt many English refs will go since half the teams are
english
By the way, SKY and BT are speaking out on how bad this is, it
is obvious they will be the first two offering the big bucks for
tv rights.
Sky and Bt are frauds. All the teams taking part are frauds. Ban
them from all domestic competitions. Prevent all players from
going on international duty.
Managers should walk, pundits who think this is a disgrace
should walk if they're bosses go anywhere near tv rights
There is no way this will end up going ahead. If it does, you'll
not be seeing me anywhere near LFC anymore. The years I've given
to the club, to be treated like this. A club where arguably the
fans are most important. Theyre a shambles
#Post#: 30055--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: April 19, 2021, 2:55 am
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Apparently going to be a midweek competition with clubs
continuing to play in their national competitions at the
weekends (BBC). On that basis, I can see it happening.
#Post#: 30056--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 19, 2021, 3:02 am
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--- Quote from: Hendo link ---
>
> [quote author=JCFC link=topic=2369.msg30042#msg30042
date=1618774333]
> When Paul wrote to Timothy that "The love of money is the root
of all evil," he was perhaps overstating the case, but in the
realm of professional football, he would not be too far wide of
the mark.
>
> Given the risks involved, my suspicion is that the Dirty Dozen
are indulging in a spot of posturing and muscle-flexing - a sort
of haka designed to intimidate UEFA ahead of tomorrow's meeting,
with a view to wringing possible concessions. The response from
the various federations is most encouraging, however, and it is
to be hoped that they don't weaken.
>
> If however the clubs go through with their threat, I foresee
vast profits - for members of the legal profession, who are
doubtless rubbing their hands with glee.
>
> As for referees, any gain for them (and assistants) would be
short-lived, if it is assumed that only those with no further
prospects would accept the chalice. Woild FIFA retirees be
prepared to forego a possible quarter century of foreign trips
as observers, goodwill and prospects within their home
federatons for a lucrative, but brief offer of pieces of silver?
The ones who might be tempted are those who never made the FIFA
list: I have no doubt that Lee Mason, for example, could
referee a Milan derby successfully and Andy Woolmer, say, El
Classico, but I imagine they would not succumb to temptation.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is a serious, potentially damaging state of affairs and
nothing to laugh or smile about.
However my heartfelt thanks to JCFC for lightening the tone with
his suggestion that Lee Mason could referee the Milan Derby and
Andy Woolmer El Classico. I chuckled myself to sleep last night
at the prospect. 😄😂😄😂
Might grandad Walton be tempted out of retirement?
[/quote]
The word JCFC used in his post about Mason and Woolmer
refereeing on such a high profile international stage which made
me slightly raise one eyebrow was "successfully". I mean, I
could referee the Milan Derby and El Classico but it would be a
sight from which those of a nervous disposition would have to
avert their eyes and European football would probably take about
twenty years to recover.
#Post#: 30057--------------------------------------------------
Re: Break away Super League
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: April 19, 2021, 3:05 am
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My club died a long time ago. I remember reading the match
programme at Wolves and being delighted at the number of youth
team players in the match day squad. Loyalty now is to a larger
audience which means less resources devoted to local fans. There
is an arrogance that suggests Liverpool should be in the elite
when they cannot be sure of qualification this year.
Time to let fans have a controlling say on the boards through
ownership as per Germany model.
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