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Kevin Friend/Simon Hooper - Newcastle v West Ham
DIR By: Irishref1985
Date: April 17, 2021, 8:10 am
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Top spot from Simon Hooper to give West Ham a penalty. Decent
performance from Kevin Friend despite my anger towards him
midweek...
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Re: Kevin Friend/Simon Hooper - Newcastle v West Ham
DIR By: guest320
Date: April 17, 2021, 1:01 pm
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Here is a question I have always wondered about that somebody
may know the answer to...
Dawson was given a second yellow card for a foul in the build up
to the Newcastle goal. Kevin Friend played advantage and this
obviously lead to the Newcastle goal before going back and
giving Dawson his second yellow.
What would have happened if Dawson had recovered and say cleared
the shot off the line or made a goal saving tackle when
technically he should not have been on the pitch?
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Re: Kevin Friend/Simon Hooper - Newcastle v West Ham
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: April 17, 2021, 2:48 pm
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It was the case and may still be that you cannot play advantage
for a sending off offence e.g. second yellow unless there is a
clear goal scoring opportunity. Therefore the scenario you
describe is unlikely. I did not see the game but I gather it was
a clear goal scoring opportunity. Like he scored.
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Re: Kevin Friend/Simon Hooper - Newcastle v West Ham
DIR By: rustyref
Date: April 17, 2021, 3:09 pm
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It would be an indirect free kick had Dawson played the ball or
challenged an opponent, as per this from law 12 ...
[I]Advantage should not be applied in situations involving
serious foul play, violent conduct or a second cautionable
offence unless there is a clear opportunity to score a goal. The
referee must send off the player when the ball is next out of
play, but if the player plays the ball or challenges/interferes
with an opponent, the referee will stop play, send off the
player and restart with an indirect free kick, unless the player
committed a more serious offence.[/I]
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Re: Kevin Friend/Simon Hooper - Newcastle v West Ham
DIR By: Jackinthebox
Date: April 17, 2021, 5:25 pm
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I have not seen the game so apologies if I'm getting the wrong
end of the stick but could somebody clear something up for me
please. If Dawson was shown a second yellow after the referee
had played advantage, I was under the impression a second yellow
couldn't be shown.
I'm going off an incident in the Cardiff v Swansea game before
Christmas and the referee in that game (John Brooks) said he
couldn't show a second yellow because he had played advantage.
I've copied the link from that game with what Brooks had told
Neil Harris.
HTML https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/controversial-cardiff-city-v-swansea-19448608.amp
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Re: Kevin Friend/Simon Hooper - Newcastle v West Ham
DIR By: rustyref
Date: April 17, 2021, 5:54 pm
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--- Quote from: Jackinthebox link ---
>
> I have not seen the game so apologies if I'm getting the wrong
end of the stick but could somebody clear something up for me
please. If Dawson was shown a second yellow after the referee
had played advantage, I was under the impression a second yellow
couldn't be shown.
> I'm going off an incident in the Cardiff v Swansea game before
Christmas and the referee in that game (John Brooks) said he
couldn't show a second yellow because he had played advantage.
I've copied the link from that game with what Brooks had told
Neil Harris.
>
HTML https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/controversial-cardiff-city-v-swansea-19448608.amp
>
--- End Quote ---
If advantage was played for an offence that prevented a
promising attack the referee cannot go back and caution. If it
was for any other offence, which in all likelihood is going to
be a reckless challenge, the caution can still be issued after
advantage. Dawson's challenge was more than reckless, so it was
absolutely right go back and send off.
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Re: Kevin Friend/Simon Hooper - Newcastle v West Ham
DIR By: ajb95
Date: April 18, 2021, 3:50 am
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I think Hooper has been the best VAR this season
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Re: Kevin Friend/Simon Hooper - Newcastle v West Ham
DIR By: Mackem ref
Date: April 18, 2021, 4:02 am
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I also think Hooper has been one of the steadier refs this term
too! Really pleased for him as he has struggled for the past
couple of seasons but he finally seems to be finding his feet!
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Re: Kevin Friend/Simon Hooper - Newcastle v West Ham
DIR By: Leggy
Date: April 18, 2021, 6:34 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=Jackinthebox link=topic=2366.msg30014#msg30014
date=1618698357]
> I have not seen the game so apologies if I'm getting the wrong
end of the stick but could somebody clear something up for me
please. If Dawson was shown a second yellow after the referee
had played advantage, I was under the impression a second yellow
couldn't be shown.
> I'm going off an incident in the Cardiff v Swansea game before
Christmas and the referee in that game (John Brooks) said he
couldn't show a second yellow because he had played advantage.
I've copied the link from that game with what Brooks had told
Neil Harris.
>
HTML https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/controversial-cardiff-city-v-swansea-19448608.amp
>
--- End Quote ---
If advantage was played for an offence that prevented a
promising attack the referee cannot go back and caution. If it
was for any other offence, which in all likelihood is going to
be a reckless challenge, the caution can still be issued after
advantage. Dawson's challenge was more than reckless, so it was
absolutely right go back and send off.
[/quote]
It was very much a reckless challenge and almost a carbon copy
of his first caution. (As in: "Those who do not learn the
lessons of history are condemned to repeat them").
It was also a very brave piece of refereeing. You could see
(from the reply) the whistle went to his mouth and he was
fighting the urge to blow because he know it was a sending off -
but he managed to hold off long enough for the advantage to
develop and for a goal to ensue. Although the goal itself was
more down to the comic West Ham defending - but Friend allowed
play to develop and for the comedy to play out.
He'll be very pleased watching that back. As will the EFL
referee (apologies - I cannot remember the game or the referee)
who appears to have played two advantages that led to goals
yesterday. I was half-watching Goals on Sunday and just saw the
(double handed) and very enthusiastic advantage signal as both
goals hit the back of the net. Isn't it strange that advantages
that lead to goals are generally signalled with gusto and for
some time? Not quite Mike Reed with his fist pump, but getting
there!
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Re: Kevin Friend/Simon Hooper - Newcastle v West Ham
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: April 18, 2021, 2:45 pm
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He'll be very pleased watching that back. As will the EFL
referee (apologies - I cannot remember the game or the referee)
who appears to have played two advantages that led to goals
yesterday. I was half-watching Goals on Sunday and just saw the
(double handed) and very enthusiastic advantage signal as both
goals hit the back of the net. Isn't it strange that advantages
that lead to goals are generally signalled with gusto and for
some time? Not quite Mike Reed with his fist pump, but getting
there!
Leggy - the injury prone James Adcock at Harrogate v Bradford.
That will have done his confidence some good! [emoji1]
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