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#Post#: 29876--------------------------------------------------
The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals at Wembley Stadium (Sat 17th
& Sun 18th APR 2021)
DIR By: aaa
Date: April 13, 2021, 6:56 am
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Sat 17th Apr 2021
Chelsea (First Team) v Manchester City FC (First Team)
FA Cup
Referee: Dean, Michael
Assistant Referee: Hussin, Ian
Assistant Referee: Robathan, Daniel
Fourth Official: Marriner, Andre
Reserve Assistant Referee: Hatzidakis, Constantine
Video Assistant Referee: Bankes, Peter
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Child, Stephen
Sun 18th Apr 2021
Leicester City FC (First Team) v Southampton FC (First Team)
FA Cup
Referee: Kavanagh, Chris
Assistant Referee: Cook, Dan
Assistant Referee: Massey-Ellis, Sian
Fourth Official: Coote, David
Reserve Assistant Referee: Hopton, Nick
Video Assistant Referee: Tierney, Paul
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Nunn, Adam
#Post#: 29880--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals at Wembley Stadium (Sat
17th & Sun 18th APR 2021)
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 13, 2021, 7:39 am
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The old and the new. Very pleased for Dean who thoroughly
deserves it and proof, were it needed, that Kavanagh is now
ahead of all the other FIFA ( non Elite ) referees.
#Post#: 29881--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals at Wembley Stadium (Sat
17th & Sun 18th APR 2021)
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 13, 2021, 7:43 am
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is it the practice, does anyone know, that an AR for a Semi
would not normally also be appointed to the Final ? I had
thought Massey-Ellis was nailed on for the Final this year,
unless they are going to have Second-Timers again which I
thought was unlikely as there will be a crowd present, albeit
not as large as in most years.
#Post#: 29882--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals at Wembley Stadium (Sat
17th & Sun 18th APR 2021)
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: April 13, 2021, 7:50 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> The old and the new. Very pleased for Dean who thoroughly
deserves it and proof, were it needed, that Kavanagh is now
ahead of all the other FIFA ( non Elite ) referees.
>
--- End Quote ---
That may well be true about Kavanagh although Pawson could still
be appointed for the Final. Nevertheless, I agree that a SF
appointment at 36 in this case is probably more telling than a
Final appointment at 42 for a FIFA referee perhaps expected to
get it after 8 years as an SG1.
#Post#: 29884--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals at Wembley Stadium (Sat
17th & Sun 18th APR 2021)
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 13, 2021, 7:57 am
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if it's a First-Timer, I fully expect Pawson to get the Final.
It would be perhaps churlish to call it Buggins turn but your
comments are spot on I think/
#Post#: 29885--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals at Wembley Stadium (Sat
17th & Sun 18th APR 2021)
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 13, 2021, 7:59 am
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Congrats to both teams.
#Post#: 29888--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals at Wembley Stadium (Sat
17th & Sun 18th APR 2021)
DIR By: Toprefm
Date: April 13, 2021, 8:07 am
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I think it says more tbh of the poor management of referees in
this country. Too many being kept on now beyond an age when some
should have retired but we now have the added complication of
employment law. Referees in England in my opinion have been kept
on too long and we are now suffering from a system that has so
many levels it's ridiculous and then there's no gaps for any new
ones to progress. I said this to people years ago when the likes
of Hackett, Cortney Milford etc. were still reffing. I believe
this is why we're behind Germany, Spain etc. with the number of
elite refs because when they've overcome all the levels they're
almost already too old for FIFA.
Incidentally Craig had a semi 3 years after making the PL and
Chris is 4 years in. So I'm not sure it says anything about
either ref but a lot about the poor management of refs in
England over the last 40 years. I also think most here would
believe that for Covid Craig would have had last seasons FA Cup
Final and I also somewhere have in the back of my mind that a
referee had to have done their domestic highest games including
Cup Final before becoming elite. Though I could have made that
up
Having watched Mr Grinfeld from Israel Mr Hategan from Romania
and Mr Marciniak from Poland I fail to see how any of those are
better than Craig Pawson.
#Post#: 29890--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals at Wembley Stadium (Sat
17th & Sun 18th APR 2021)
DIR By: bmb
Date: April 13, 2021, 8:25 am
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--- Quote from: Toprefm link ---
>
> I also somewhere have in the back of my mind that a referee
had to have done their domestic highest games including Cup
Final before becoming elite. Though I could have made that up
>
--- End Quote ---
I believe that relates to going to the Euro's/WC as opposed to
becoming elite in the first place. Clatts was elite way before
he had the cup final. In fact he was only finally given the
final AFTER being named for the Euros
#Post#: 29901--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals at Wembley Stadium (Sat
17th & Sun 18th APR 2021)
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: April 13, 2021, 9:21 am
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--- Quote from: Toprefm link ---
>
> I think it says more tbh of the poor management of referees in
this country. Too many being kept on now beyond an age when some
should have retired but we now have the added complication of
employment law. Referees in England in my opinion have been kept
on too long and we are now suffering from a system that has so
many levels it's ridiculous and then there's no gaps for any new
ones to progress. I said this to people years ago when the likes
of Hackett, Cortney Milford etc. were still reffing. I believe
this is why we're behind Germany, Spain etc. with the number of
elite refs because when they've overcome all the levels they're
almost already too old for FIFA.
>
> Incidentally Craig had a semi 3 years after making the PL and
Chris is 4 years in. So I'm not sure it says anything about
either ref but a lot about the poor management of refs in
England over the last 40 years. I also think most here would
believe that for Covid Craig would have had last seasons FA Cup
Final and I also somewhere have in the back of my mind that a
referee had to have done their domestic highest games including
Cup Final before becoming elite. Though I could have made that
up
>
> Having watched Mr Grinfeld from Israel Mr Hategan from Romania
and Mr Marciniak from Poland I fail to see how any of those are
better than Craig Pawson.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think Pawson would have got the FA Cup Final last year if
there were no Covid
How far the appointment to an FA Cup Final gives a good
indication as to pecking order is a moot point. Obviously
geography, Club allegiance and injury is always a factor but it
will be very interesting to see who gets picked for the Final in
the next few years and in what order. I would hazard the guess
that the next three will be Kavanagh, Tierney , Attwell and then
England and Coote will feature somewhere. Of course the
appointing authorities are always capable of " doing a Moss "
and throwing it to Mason or Scott but I think that is most
unlikely, even for such capricious operators as the FA.
#Post#: 29902--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals at Wembley Stadium (Sat
17th & Sun 18th APR 2021)
DIR By: ajb95
Date: April 13, 2021, 9:32 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Toprefm link=topic=2351.msg29888#msg29888
date=1618319274]
> I think it says more tbh of the poor management of referees in
this country. Too many being kept on now beyond an age when some
should have retired but we now have the added complication of
employment law. Referees in England in my opinion have been kept
on too long and we are now suffering from a system that has so
many levels it's ridiculous and then there's no gaps for any new
ones to progress. I said this to people years ago when the likes
of Hackett, Cortney Milford etc. were still reffing. I believe
this is why we're behind Germany, Spain etc. with the number of
elite refs because when they've overcome all the levels they're
almost already too old for FIFA.
>
> Incidentally Craig had a semi 3 years after making the PL and
Chris is 4 years in. So I'm not sure it says anything about
either ref but a lot about the poor management of refs in
England over the last 40 years. I also think most here would
believe that for Covid Craig would have had last seasons FA Cup
Final and I also somewhere have in the back of my mind that a
referee had to have done their domestic highest games including
Cup Final before becoming elite. Though I could have made that
up
>
> Having watched Mr Grinfeld from Israel Mr Hategan from Romania
and Mr Marciniak from Poland I fail to see how any of those are
better than Craig Pawson.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think Pawson would have got the FA Cup Final last year if
there were no Covid
How far the appointment to an FA Cup Final gives a good
indication as to pecking order is a moot point. Obviously
geography, Club allegiance and injury is always a factor but it
will be very interesting to see who gets picked for the Final in
the next few years and in what order. I would hazard the guess
that the next three will be Kavanagh, Tierney , Attwell and then
England and Coote will feature somewhere. Of course the
appointing authorities are always capable of " doing a Moss "
and throwing it to Mason or Scott but I think that is most
unlikely, even for such capricious operators as the FA.
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Dont forget Bankes 😉😁
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