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#Post#: 29178--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rebecca Welch becomes first female referee to be appointed
to EFL game.
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: March 31, 2021, 9:01 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Bakis link=topic=2298.msg29169#msg29169
date=1617191135]
> There are ten Level 1s with FO appointments on Easter Monday,
which I suggest rules out the injury / availability possibility.
> I agree that the publicity is in some ways unfortunate, but
it's surely inevitable and does at least show that some progress
is being made, however modest this may be.
> When Wendy Toms led the first all female team in the
Conference (circa 1996) there was a round of publicity and
several photographers appeared at Aggborough. Walking onto the
pitch she gave them a distinct swerve, got on with the match and
that was pretty much that. Let's hope this is also true on
Monday.
>
--- End Quote ---
She came over very well though completely failed to answer the
Newsreader's question " Why has it taken so long for a female
referee to be appointed to a Football League match ?"
[/quote]
I think she was wise to duck that one. Any answer she gave
would either sound like a criticism of her employers ("the
system is to blame") or her colleagues ("none of the others are
as good as me").
#Post#: 29180--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rebecca Welch becomes first female referee to be appointed
to EFL game.
DIR By: JCFC
Date: March 31, 2021, 9:04 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> a man with a small brain
>
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Beware Whistleblower. Bmb and her "girls" might accuse you of
tautology.
#Post#: 29181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rebecca Welch becomes first female referee to be appointed
to EFL game.
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: March 31, 2021, 9:09 am
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--- Quote from: JCFC link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2298.msg29176#msg29176
date=1617198604]
> a man with a small brain
>
--- End Quote ---
Beware Whistleblower. Bmb and her "girls" might accuse you of
tautology.
[/quote]
Hahaha. Warning heeded. Might be more a case of Basil Fawlty's
memorable line to his wife. " you ought to go on Mastermind
dear, Name Sybil Fawlty; Subject, the bleedin' obvious "
#Post#: 29182--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rebecca Welch becomes first female referee to be appointed
to EFL game.
DIR By: TVOS
Date: March 31, 2021, 9:44 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2298.msg29171#msg29171
date=1617195262]
> In her remarks she referred to other female match officials as
" girls "; I am quite unsure of the correct protocol in this
area now but presumably it's OK for a woman to use that term but
if a man had, I think he would, quite rightly, be severely
criticised.
>
--- End Quote ---
Very common with women, especially those in a close knit group,
so I'd not read anything into it. Bit like you men using the
term lads I guess. Outside of covid times, I'll lunch with the
girls, go drinking with the girls, cheer my girls on in their
respective careers and lives etc. The girls can range from young
ladies in their 20's to not so young girls in their 70's -
they're still the girls.
[/quote]
I'm 52, but when we are able to, I'll be going out with "the
lads".
My other half has just told me she's "meeting up with the girls"
tomorrow (only 6 of them of course). They were last "girls", in
the truest sense of the word, when they left school in 1985!
Anyone who makes an issue of such terminology in Rebecca Welch's
case needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
#Post#: 29183--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rebecca Welch becomes first female referee to be appointed
to EFL game.
DIR By: bmb
Date: March 31, 2021, 10:12 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=2298.msg29172#msg29172
date=1617196279]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2298.msg29166#msg29166
date=1617187854]
> She has been refereeing elite men’s football for nearly 2 full
seasons. I wouldn’t expect Madley or Bankes to be refereeing a
Europa league game after 2 seasons in the Prem?
>
--- End Quote ---
She already had international experience in the top levels of
the women's game, she's been a FIFA referee since 2009. She
didn't just get her badge and immediately start on the big
games, it's taken her 10/12 years of hard work as a FIFA referee
to get there. Along the way she has even refereed a Women's
World Cup final, she's not some rookie FIFA ref. Going the
route the men take (or at least have taken so far), they
normally start out with some youth games before they even get
their white badge, then move onto U19/U21 tournaments and then
EL qualifiers. You'd not expect a man to take a further 10/12
years to make EL/CL/Euros/WC debuts would you? Especially not if
they were going to be an elite referee. Any referee, male or
female, who hadn't moved beyond doing youth team games after
that length of time I would seriously be questioning how they
had the badge in the first place! She has had a far slower rise
up the ranks than most males will because she learned her trade
over many years in the top flight women's game.
[/quote]
This is strange because I am sure I heard Ms Welch say during
her interview that she had been refereeing for ten years.
Perhaps she was saying that she had been refereeing men's
football for ten years but in a brief interview, I didn't find
that clear.
[/quote]
ajp was taking about Frappart & I replied - I'll edit my post to
make it more clear!
#Post#: 29185--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rebecca Welch becomes first female referee to be appointed
to EFL game.
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: March 31, 2021, 10:25 am
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=2298.msg29173#msg29173
date=1617196559]
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2298.msg29171#msg29171
date=1617195262]
> In her remarks she referred to other female match officials as
" girls "; I am quite unsure of the correct protocol in this
area now but presumably it's OK for a woman to use that term but
if a man had, I think he would, quite rightly, be severely
criticised.
>
--- End Quote ---
Very common with women, especially those in a close knit group,
so I'd not read anything into it. Bit like you men using the
term lads I guess. Outside of covid times, I'll lunch with the
girls, go drinking with the girls, cheer my girls on in their
respective careers and lives etc. The girls can range from young
ladies in their 20's to not so young girls in their 70's -
they're still the girls.
[/quote]
I'm 52, but when we are able to, I'll be going out with "the
lads".
My other half has just told me she's "meeting up with the girls"
tomorrow (only 6 of them of course). They were last "girls", in
the truest sense of the word, when they left school in 1985!
Anyone who makes an issue of such terminology in Rebecca Welch's
case needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
[/quote]
I take it that the counsel "to take a long hard look at
themselves" is directed at me. If anyone thought there was a
subtext in my earlier post I apologise; it was simply a genuine
enquiry as to the proper protocols of terminology. Ms Welch may
of course refer to her fellow match officials, be they male or
female, in what ever way she likes within the bounds of courtesy
as indeed she most clearly did in her interview in which she
came over as a dedicated professional.
Might I respectfully suggest that some serious mirror gazing be
undertaken in order to differentiate between a genuine enquiry
and making an issue. I shall continue to receive admonition to
undertake self examination from sources I choose.
#Post#: 29186--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rebecca Welch becomes first female referee to be appointed
to EFL game.
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: March 31, 2021, 10:26 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2298.msg29175#msg29175
date=1617198274]
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=2298.msg29172#msg29172
date=1617196279]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2298.msg29166#msg29166
date=1617187854]
> She has been refereeing elite men’s football for nearly 2 full
seasons. I wouldn’t expect Madley or Bankes to be refereeing a
Europa league game after 2 seasons in the Prem?
>
--- End Quote ---
She already had international experience in the top levels of
the women's game, she's been a FIFA referee since 2009. She
didn't just get her badge and immediately start on the big
games, it's taken her 10/12 years of hard work as a FIFA referee
to get there. Along the way she has even refereed a Women's
World Cup final, she's not some rookie FIFA ref. Going the
route the men take (or at least have taken so far), they
normally start out with some youth games before they even get
their white badge, then move onto U19/U21 tournaments and then
EL qualifiers. You'd not expect a man to take a further 10/12
years to make EL/CL/Euros/WC debuts would you? Especially not if
they were going to be an elite referee. Any referee, male or
female, who hadn't moved beyond doing youth team games after
that length of time I would seriously be questioning how they
had the badge in the first place! She has had a far slower rise
up the ranks than most males will because she learned her trade
over many years in the top flight women's game.
[/quote]
This is strange because I am sure I heard Ms Welch say during
her interview that she had been refereeing for ten years.
Perhaps she was saying that she had been refereeing men's
football for ten years but in a brief interview, I didn't find
that clear.
[/quote]
ajp was taking about Frappart & I replied - I'll edit my post to
make it more clear!
[/quote]
Ah, thank you bmb, I understand perfectly now. I did say I had a
small brain !
#Post#: 29187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rebecca Welch becomes first female referee to be appointed
to EFL game.
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: March 31, 2021, 10:31 am
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Whistleblower is correct about Rebecca starting 10 years ago.
I'm not sure whether she went to a match with a friend who was a
referee and she was constantly making comments about the
officials. Her friend just told her that, if it was so easy, she
should give it a go and she decided that she would. That was on
our local news if memory serves me correct, the only thing I am
not 100% sure of is whether she was attending the match or
playing in it and her friend was the referee.
Just found the reference on the FA website prior to her
officiating in the Womens' Community Shield:-
"It was actually through a good friend of mine who used to come
along and ref the games that I played in - and I used to have a
go at her every week. And then one day she just turned around
and said: “If you think you can do any better, why
don’t you have a go?” It was probably a bit of
arrogance from me thinking I could do better, and I didn’t
realise how hard it was, but I really enjoyed it and now ten
years later I’m reffing at Wembley."
If anyone would like to see the full interview from the FA site
:-
HTML https://www.thefa.com/news/2020/aug/28/referee-on-the-spot-rebecca-welch-womens-community-shield-280820
#Post#: 29188--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rebecca Welch becomes first female referee to be appointed
to EFL game.
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: March 31, 2021, 10:34 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2298.msg29175#msg29175
date=1617198274]
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=2298.msg29172#msg29172
date=1617196279]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2298.msg29166#msg29166
date=1617187854]
> She has been refereeing elite men’s football for nearly 2 full
seasons. I wouldn’t expect Madley or Bankes to be refereeing a
Europa league game after 2 seasons in the Prem?
>
--- End Quote ---
She already had international experience in the top levels of
the women's game, she's been a FIFA referee since 2009. She
didn't just get her badge and immediately start on the big
games, it's taken her 10/12 years of hard work as a FIFA referee
to get there. Along the way she has even refereed a Women's
World Cup final, she's not some rookie FIFA ref. Going the
route the men take (or at least have taken so far), they
normally start out with some youth games before they even get
their white badge, then move onto U19/U21 tournaments and then
EL qualifiers. You'd not expect a man to take a further 10/12
years to make EL/CL/Euros/WC debuts would you? Especially not if
they were going to be an elite referee. Any referee, male or
female, who hadn't moved beyond doing youth team games after
that length of time I would seriously be questioning how they
had the badge in the first place! She has had a far slower rise
up the ranks than most males will because she learned her trade
over many years in the top flight women's game.
[/quote]
This is strange because I am sure I heard Ms Welch say during
her interview that she had been refereeing for ten years.
Perhaps she was saying that she had been refereeing men's
football for ten years but in a brief interview, I didn't find
that clear.
[/quote]
ajp was taking about Frappart & I replied - I'll edit my post to
make it more clear!
[/quote]
I suppose the issue is how experience in the women's game is
considered compared with experience in the men's game. If they
are equal then Frappart is one of the most experienced referee
in Europe at present. UEFA clearly don't consider this to be the
case given her level of appointments. It's a bit like Gillett
coming from Australia to SG2, obviously they didn't see his
experience as enough for SG1. This is a difficult issue to solve
as I don't think there is a simple conversion i.e. 2 years at
UEFA elite refereeing women's games equals 1 at men's for
example. It will obviously depend greatly on the individual.
Frappart will likely attend EURO, I don't personally think her
performances in the men's UEFA games would warrant this, that
said there are other referees who will go that I would feel
similarly about. Obviously UEFA must put weight on her
performances in women's matches where she has reached the very
top in a WC final. However one must ask the question, if UEFA
think Frappart is good enough to attend EURO, then why haven't
they given her a similar level of appointments as the other
referees who will attend? Of course this is all based on her
selection so I could be totally wrong!
Regardless this thread is about Rebecca Welch, I wish her all
the best for her first EFL game and congratulate her on this
achievement.
#Post#: 29189--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rebecca Welch becomes first female referee to be appointed
to EFL game.
DIR By: bmb
Date: March 31, 2021, 10:50 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> More enlightenment from Mrs W. She says that it's not her
habit to refer to female friends as 'girls' ( as in going to
meet up with the girls ) but rather 'girlfriends' which is of
course an entirely different usage to that referring to a same
gender partner. It's all very confusing for a man with a small
brain like mine.
>
--- End Quote ---
Pretty much the same, girls is basically a shortened version &
probably more common with the younger generation, where I have
undoubtedly picked it up from! Possibly a replacement/update on
girlfriends as society becomes more relaxed in terms of people
being openly gay whilst also trying to differentiate those 2
particular definitions - who knows! I have used both although
tend to more use girls these days. Lads/chaps/the boys would I
assume be the accepted male equivalents. As for what women
aren't allowed to refer to men as, well I don't really know.
I'm not the most PC of people - I still call everyone (male or
female) hun, love, darling, sweetie which I gather is not the PC
thing to do. I've only been called out on it once by a lad in
his 20's & I replied sorry love, it's how I grew up & I do it
without thinking to males & females equally and he just laughed
& said fair enough. To this day I still call him love and he
doesn't bat an eyelid over it!! I'd never knowingly upset
someone & I am very PC when it comes to issues of race &
sexuality in particular because I'd be mortified if I offended
someone but there are some PC areas that I think are too far.
Since when did it become offensive for a man to pay a woman a
genuine compliment (not taking the sleazebag type comments) or
vice versa for that matter. I tell my girlfriends all the time
they look gorgeous in a particular outfit or I love what's
they've done with their hair and things like that, I'll do the
same for boyfriends (not of the partner variety - well them too
maybe!) saying how handsome they look for example but some would
see that as offensive, which I really don't understand! On the
rare occasions I get a compliment I just say thank you and
smile, I don't cry sexisim and/or mysogony - maybe I am getting
old! I just believe in taking every chance I can to boost up my
friends and make them feel good about themselves.
I'm pretty sure it's not PC to have a ref totty list! My top
totty however, rather than being offended, is still making his
case for remaining as top totty despite retiring! His wife
thinks it hilarious but disagrees that she is female totty!!
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