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Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: Leggy
Date: March 21, 2021, 2:25 pm
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Forgive me Nemesis, for rising to the bait, but a while back you
(quite reasonably) criticised me for quoting the Laws of the
Game as the reason why a foul challenge in the middle of the
field should be treated equitably with one in the penalty area.
I think that - in that case - there was a general agreement that
while I was right in Law you were right in "reality".
In this case, you are right in Law, but in "reality" some
players just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time
and pick up a caution on behalf of the persistent (and probably
pre-meditated) foul challenges committed by his colleagues.
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Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: ACTref
Date: March 21, 2021, 6:58 pm
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I recall Michael Oliver doing something similar in an FA Cup
match between Chelsea and Manchester United a few years ago.
Hazard was getting the tripe fouled out of him, so Oliver pulled
the United captain aside and made a big show of saying the next
player to foul Hazard would pick up a caution for Persistent
Infringement. Sure enough, the next player to foul Hazard not
long after picked up a yellow...which happened to be his second
and off he went.
Went down a treat with the United players as you'd expect.
Either way, tactical fouling by a team of a single player is
just as much persistent infringement as one player fouling
several and as such needs to be identified and sanctioned
accordingly.
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Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: March 21, 2021, 7:30 pm
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Surely as whether a challenge ticks the boxes to be a card, of
either hue, is the opinion of the Referee then to issue a card
to "the next player to foul x" is perfectly acceptable?
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Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: LateTackle
Date: March 21, 2021, 9:42 pm
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The problem here is that it is far more complicated than simply
saying 'The next player to foul X gets a yellow card'. If that
were to happen we would see even more playacting than we see
now. X may well be one of those players who spends much of the
game extracting fouls from referees for the slightest contact in
order to obtain penalties and promising free kicks. The worst
'X' has already been mentioned but there are others almost as
bad. It is excruciating enough, with empty grounds, to see
these ludicrous fancy-dans hurling themselves around screaming
like toddlers. Imagine if they knew for certain they can get
opponents carded with impunity.
Sharing out the fouls has always been in the game and a
competent referee can deal with it sensibly. Far more important
to rid the game of the prima donnas who spend so much time
deceiving referees.
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Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: March 22, 2021, 4:45 am
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I wasn't actually advocating this, just explaining how, if
required, it could be "explained"
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Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: adcr85
Date: March 22, 2021, 5:27 am
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a per pro of nothing the greatest example of 'team' fouling
(IMO), which I have just tried unsuccessfully to find online for
the last 15 minutes is the 2008 World Club Cup Final -
Manchester United v Quito of Ecuador.
Quito had a player cautioned by Irmatov in the second minute for
a foul on Ronaldo, and I believe it was at least the 3rd,
possibly 4th foul he had received inside the first 90 seconds,
they literally took it terms to trip him, so the ref knew he had
to do something or else it could get out of hand. As soon as one
was booked it stopped, so from the ref's point of view the
booking 'worked', so though by the LOTG a caution on the second
minute for a nondescript trip in midfield may seem harsh, it was
the right thing to do
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Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: bmb
Date: March 22, 2021, 7:34 am
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I think it's one that can either work wonders or cause all
manner of issues. I don't have a problem with any ref doing it
if there has been a really silly number of fouls spread around &
he has warned the captain, enough is enough, next person to do
so goes in the book. Spread about persistent fouling can ruin a
game as much as the dreadful playacting that is so commonplace
in the PL.
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