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#Post#: 28780--------------------------------------------------
Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: March 20, 2021, 6:05 am
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In my view quite a poor performance by Mrs Fearn last night.
Allowed far too much to go unpunished, particularly in the first
half which MAY have led to the dismissal of Beth Mead.
Unusual as when I have seen her before she has displayed an
ability to nip things in the bud.
Arsenal players seemed to be queuing up to foul Lauren James and
there was an ongoing feud between Katie McCabe and Ella Toone
which could have sparked a major issue but fortunately didn't
I have tried to defend officiating in the WSL but tonight's
performance I cannot
#Post#: 28782--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: guest42
Date: March 20, 2021, 6:28 am
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From reading comments from the United manager - the referee told
them she couldn’t take any action about the multiple fouls on
the same player because “it’s different players” committing the
fouls.
Out of curiosity - how many yellow cards were issued during the
game?
#Post#: 28783--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: Seagull
Date: March 20, 2021, 6:35 am
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--- Quote from: BAFRA #217 link ---
>
> From reading comments from the United manager - the referee
told them she couldn’t take any action about the multiple fouls
on the same player because “it’s different players” committing
the fouls.
>
> Out of curiosity - how many yellow cards were issued during
the game?
>
--- End Quote ---
The so-called "team foul" is a problem but eventually, I believe
you just have to issue a general warning along the lines of
"whoever fouls this player next will be cautioned". It's harsh
on that individual player but the fouling has to be stopped.
There were 4 YCs including the 2 for Mead.
#Post#: 28786--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: March 20, 2021, 6:53 am
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Rugby has the answer as is often the case. Repeated fouling by
one team, repeated fouls of a particular type or repeated
fouling by one player will result in a yellow card. Not tough on
individual who cops card for third or fourth team offence
because they would have been warned in advance.
On reflection this morning it is one power I would love to see
given to referees. Grealish may at least get some protection but
his example makes the point that too many players are fouled too
often with impunity.
#Post#: 28787--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: March 20, 2021, 7:06 am
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--- Quote from: Seagull link ---
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> [quote author=BAFRA #217 link=topic=2277.msg28782#msg28782
date=1616239737]
> From reading comments from the United manager - the referee
told them she couldn’t take any action about the multiple fouls
on the same player because “it’s different players” committing
the fouls.
>
> Out of curiosity - how many yellow cards were issued during
the game?
>
--- End Quote ---
The so-called "team foul" is a problem but eventually, I believe
you just have to issue a general warning along the lines of
"whoever fouls this player next will be cautioned". It's harsh
on that individual player but the fouling has to be stopped.
There were 4 YCs including the 2 for Mead.
[/quote]
This is what happened in a Chelsea v Man United game a few
seasons ago. United players were targeting Hazard, and Oliver
finally booked Herrera for a specific foul and then warned him
and the Captain, Smalling, that it had to stop or YCs would be
issued. Within seconds, Herrera committed another foul on
Hazard and duly got a second yellow. Oliver received some stick
for issuing a card for a minor offence but there was no
complaints from this United supporter. He did exactly what he'd
said he would do. Referees don't always appear to be alert to
this type of 'team foul'.
It would seem strange if Fearn made the alleged comment.
#Post#: 28793--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: RCG
Date: March 20, 2021, 8:30 am
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I was with Phil Dowd on a game and he cautioned the 3rd player
to foul the attacker for the home team. His argument was as it
was clearly a tactic, the foul was deliberate and targeted,
meaning it was easily reckless rather than careless. An example
where intent outweighed the challenge
#Post#: 28811--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: Boz
Date: March 20, 2021, 3:27 pm
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I recall Howard Webb doing something similar when Moyes' Everton
were fouling David Silva by rota. He booked the 4th and 5th foul
on him and they took the hint and stopped doing it.
#Post#: 28819--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: March 20, 2021, 5:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Boz link ---
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> I recall Howard Webb doing something similar when Moyes'
Everton were fouling David Silva by rota. He booked the 4th and
5th foul on him and they took the hint and stopped doing it.
>
--- End Quote ---
My recollection was of Howard Webb doing it in a Derby game when
he awarded four yellow cards for fouls on Shaun Wright-Phillips
by different players.
#Post#: 28832--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: Wollongong Ref
Date: March 21, 2021, 5:11 am
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Players must be protected, if multiple players fouled the same
opponent the YC must be brandished. The whole point of multiple
players doing this is to avoid the YC and as refs we must
protect skillful players.
#Post#: 28861--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amy Fearn Arsenal v Manchester United WSL
DIR By: nemesis
Date: March 21, 2021, 11:01 am
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--- Quote from: Wollongong Ref link ---
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> Players must be protected, if multiple players fouled the same
opponent the YC must be brandished. The whole point of multiple
players doing this is to avoid the YC and as refs we must
protect skillful players.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm sorry but that is neither fair on the players nor consistent
with the Laws of the Game. Under the list of cautionable
offences, nowhere does it include committing an otherwise
non-cautionable foul on a player who has been fouled n times
before. What is n? Who keeps track of the current number of
fouls against each player and keeps all opponents aware of who
can be fouled and who can't?
Half the time, the players who appear to be fouled a lot are the
ones who are playing to draw technical fouls/slight touches from
opponents.
Sanctions exist for serious fouls.
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