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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: ajb95
Date: February 27, 2021, 2:26 pm
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
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> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2215.msg27680#msg27680
date=1614448059]
> Don’t know what all the confusion is about 8)
>
> Mason blew the whistle as Brighton were ready, realised the
WBA keeper wasn’t (tough luck) and blew before then ball crossed
the line hence the goal correctly ruled out!
>
> Mind you if you have 15 shots at goal and miss two penalties
and score 0 goals do you really deserve anything?
>
--- End Quote ---
That's not quite the point, is it?
Those are things Brighton can control and only have themselves
to blame for; the first incident has been controlled for them by
an official who is out of his depth.
[/quote]
Why is it not the point? They missed a penalty before this
incident even took place. If they scored both penalties and won
2-1 would we making such a big deal out of this??
Edited to fix the quote thingamajigga, bmb.
#Post#: 27705--------------------------------------------------
Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: badref
Date: February 27, 2021, 2:50 pm
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Lee has blown for the free kick to be taken not looking and so
not spotting that the Goalkeeper wasn't in position. He
instinctively then blew before the ball hit the net to protect
himself from giving a 'controversial goal'. The aftermath was
always going to be a mess because whatever he decided from then
on in was going to go down like a lead balloon with either side.
His big mistake was not concentrating before blowing for the
free kick to be taken. As soon as that happens whether he blows
again before the ball goes in or not it is always going to be a
shambles with one of the two teams feeling aggrieved. Lesson
here - always keep your concentration. If he just waits to see
where the keeper is before blowing the whistle then there are no
issues.
#Post#: 27712--------------------------------------------------
Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: TVOS
Date: February 27, 2021, 3:48 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=2215.msg27700#msg27700
date=1614456448]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2215.msg27680#msg27680
date=1614448059]
> Don’t know what all the confusion is about 8)
>
> Mason blew the whistle as Brighton were ready, realised the
WBA keeper wasn’t (tough luck) and blew before then ball crossed
the line hence the goal correctly ruled out!
>
> Mind you if you have 15 shots at goal and miss two penalties
and score 0 goals do you really deserve anything?
>
--- End Quote ---
Why is it not the point? They missed a penalty before this
incident even took place. If they scored both penalties and won
2-1 would we making such a big deal out of this??
That's not quite the point, is it?
Those are things Brighton can control and only have themselves
to blame for; the first incident has been controlled for them by
an official who is out of his depth.
[/quote]
[/quote]
Because this isn't a Brighton forum where their fans are blaming
Lee Mason for the defeat.
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: Beryl
Date: February 27, 2021, 3:53 pm
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--- Quote from: badref link ---
>
> Lee has blown for the free kick to be taken not looking and so
not spotting that the Goalkeeper wasn't in position. He
instinctively then blew before the ball hit the net to protect
himself from giving a 'controversial goal'. The aftermath was
always going to be a mess because whatever he decided from then
on in was going to go down like a lead balloon with either side.
>
> His big mistake was not concentrating before blowing for the
free kick to be taken. As soon as that happens whether he blows
again before the ball goes in or not it is always going to be a
shambles with one of the two teams feeling aggrieved. Lesson
here - alwayep your concentration. If he just waits to see where
the keeper is before blowing the whistle then there are no
issues.
>
--- End Quote ---
I have nor seen it. Just liking your description
Its the old chestnut tho.....the “ wait for whistle”.
A- is to make sure ref ready.
Is it to make sure gk ready tho? Can of worms....
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: BabyRef
Date: February 27, 2021, 4:58 pm
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Just wanted to say in amongst all the glee that every referee
will make an inexplicably shocking decision at some point - Poll
with the 3 yellows, Marriner with the Gibbs red card etc etc.
It was clearly a howler and I am sure he will get punished for
it, but I think Mason, although not one of my favourite
referees, has had a fairly steady few seasons without too much
controversy. OK, he's rarely given the most highly charged
fixtures but I can't think of a major mistake he's made of this
magnitude for several years.
By all means criticise his performance today, but gloating over
what it means for his career seems unedifying to me.
#Post#: 27717--------------------------------------------------
Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: guest42
Date: February 27, 2021, 5:13 pm
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--- Quote from: BAFRA #217 link ---
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> In Dunk’s post match interview:
>
> “I said to the ref “Can I take it?” - he said “Yes”. I took
it and scored”
>
--- End Quote ---
The pictures on MOTD just now in the post match interview seems
to back him up on this - there’s even a nod of the head from
Mason to confirm he can take it.
The other question is - why blow the whistle a second time to
stop play before the ball enters the goal and then initially
give the goal?
#Post#: 27718--------------------------------------------------
Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: ClaretandBlue06
Date: February 27, 2021, 5:22 pm
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If he said he can take it quick why did they wait for the first
whistle to be blown! They would have just taken it surely!
Someone is lying with something, either Dunk for saying that or
Bartley for saying he was dealing something with the wall. Mason
obviously realised that the keeper wasn’t in position and to be
fair to Johnstone you don’t normally see quick free kicks being
taken in those position. Mason made this more a big deal that it
should have been by giving the goal had he not done that it
wouldn’t be as big as a talking point. Overall I think the VAR
has worked well with this as with the first half penalty.
#Post#: 27719--------------------------------------------------
Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: jacksback
Date: February 27, 2021, 5:36 pm
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--- Quote from: BabyRef link ---
>
> Just wanted to say in amongst all the glee that every referee
will make an inexplicably shocking decision at some point - Poll
with the 3 yellows, Marriner with the Gibbs red card etc etc.
>
> It was clearly a howler and I am sure he will get punished for
it, but I think Mason, although not one of my favourite
referees, has had a fairly steady few seasons without too much
controversy. OK, he's rarely given the most highly charged
fixtures but I can't think of a major mistake he's made of this
magnitude for several years.
>
> By all means criticise his performance today, but gloating
over what it means for his career seems unedifying to me.
>
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He made a major error just 4 weeks ago by not giving a penalty
when Matty Cash made one of the clearest handballs you will ever
see. He then followed it up 4 days later with a recommendation
whilst on VAR duty that Bednarek should be sent off for
something that wasn't even a foul, let alone a red card
challenge.
And that's without mentioning his shambles at Sheffield
Wednesday last Saturday which makes it four major errors in a
single month.
Nuno was right, he's not good enough.
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: February 28, 2021, 1:42 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=2215.msg27688#msg27688
date=1614452192]
> What a mess!
>
> Whilst it's true that attacking free-kicks are often allowed
to be taken quickly, this didn't seem the sort of occasion where
it would be allowed (given everyone was expecting it on the
whistle and the goalkeeper was clearly still lining up the
wall.)
>
> I would not normally expect a Premier League referee to blow
for the free-kick to be taken in that precise circumstance
>
> Whether Mason blew for it to be taken and then realised the
goalkeeper's position or blew for something else other than the
restart, who knows - I'm not sure Mason knew himself!
>
> Given Mason clearly wasn't happy and blew the whistle a few
more times, I don't know why he was then talked into allowing
the goal. It was already a bit chaotic but if he'd taken control
and said 'sorry for the confusion lads, I wasn't blowing for the
restart' then he'd at least have regained some authority (and
within the spirit - and as it turned out laws - it felt
reasonable for the goal to be disallowed.)
>
> Given the referee awarded the goal, if VAR's verdict was the
second whistle blew before the ball crossed the line, I'm not
sure what the rationale was for restarting with the free-kick
again?
>
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Surely common sense would say go back to the free kick. One
cannot expect Brighton to be punished twice in this situation
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Common sense would have helped avoid the whole situation!
I agree it would not seem very just but from a technical
viewpoint if Mason is saying 'I'm giving the goal because I blew
to restart play' and Hooper is saying 'You can't give the goal
because after that restart of play, you blew again before the
ball crossed the line' then I'm not sure VAR can really change
one technically 'incorrect' decision for another that seems
technically 'incorrect'.
#Post#: 27725--------------------------------------------------
Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 28, 2021, 2:15 am
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What is almost unbelievable is that a referee of Mason's
experience should allow a 'ceremonial' free kick to be taken
without first checking that everything was in place for the kick
to be taken. It wasn't actually a quickly taken free kick. The
wall had got into position as had players of the attacking team.
Mason gives the whistle in a proper manner. After this initial
lapse of not checking, he then panics and after that confusion
and chaos is inevitable. Without VAR the goal would have stood I
suspect. I think Mason was wrong to whistle a second time for as
far as I could see there was no infringement after the first
whistle. Once play has re-started, with the free kick taken, in
an orthodox manner by the referee's whistle I then cannot see
any grounds for stopping play unless foul play was detected and
there wasn't any.
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