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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: February 27, 2021, 12:16 pm
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Hackett pouring his thoughts out....
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: guest42
Date: February 27, 2021, 12:49 pm
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> Hackett pouring his thoughts out....
>
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“God help us if he has to look at the monitor to determine if he
blew the whistle”
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: February 27, 2021, 12:56 pm
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What a mess!
Whilst it's true that attacking free-kicks are often allowed to
be taken quickly, this didn't seem the sort of occasion where it
would be allowed (given everyone was expecting it on the whistle
and the goalkeeper was clearly still lining up the wall.)
I would not normally expect a Premier League referee to blow for
the free-kick to be taken in that precise circumstance
Whether Mason blew for it to be taken and then realised the
goalkeeper's position or blew for something else other than the
restart, who knows - I'm not sure Mason knew himself!
Given Mason clearly wasn't happy and blew the whistle a few more
times, I don't know why he was then talked into allowing the
goal. It was already a bit chaotic but if he'd taken control and
said 'sorry for the confusion lads, I wasn't blowing for the
restart' then he'd at least have regained some authority (and
within the spirit - and as it turned out laws - it felt
reasonable for the goal to be disallowed.)
Given the referee awarded the goal, if VAR's verdict was the
second whistle blew before the ball crossed the line, I'm not
sure what the rationale was for restarting with the free-kick
again?
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: klhcms
Date: February 27, 2021, 1:14 pm
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--- Quote from: Beryl link ---
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> Reports now say the whistle was blown so referee could deal
with pushing in wall
> Not that he blew the whistle to restart play.
>
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How could there be pushing in the wall if all opponents had to
be at least 1 metre away?
Is he claiming to have been dealing with the WBA players pushing
their own team mates in the wall?
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: Beryl
Date: February 27, 2021, 1:25 pm
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--- Quote from: klhcms link ---
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> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2215.msg27669#msg27669
date=1614445983]
> Reports now say the whistle was blown so referee could deal
with pushing in wall
> Not that he blew the whistle to restart play.
>
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How could there be pushing in the wall if all opponents had to
be at least 1 metre away?
Is he claiming to have been dealing with the WBA players pushing
their own team mates in the wall?
[/quote]
I have not seen it, read it as a West Brim player interview on
the live update thing they run.
The West Brim player said the ref was dealing with wall
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Re: Lee Mason - West Brom v Brighton - topics merged
DIR By: robbieg
Date: February 27, 2021, 1:27 pm
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--- Quote from: BAFRA #217 link ---
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> From the Guardian:
>
> I think what happened was as follows. I hope this clears it up
for you:
>
> 1. Lee Mason gives the free-kick. Everyone gets ready for the
free-kick.
> 2. Lee Mason blows his whistle. Lewis Dunk takes the
free-kick.
> 3. Lee Mason forgets he blew his whistle.
> 4. Lee Mason blows his whistle to tell Brighton that they can
forget about this shot counting because he hadn’t blown his
whistle yet.
> 5. The shot goes in.
> 6. Lee Mason has disallowed the goal, because he hadn’t blown
his whistle before the free-kick was taken.
> 7. Lee Mason is reminded that he blew his whistle before the
free-kick was taken, and forgets that he blew his whistle
because he hadn’t blown his whistle.
> 8. Lee Mason allows the goal.
> 9. Lee Mason is reminded that he blew his whistle because he
hadn’t blown the whistle that he had blown.
> 10. Lee Mason disallows the goal.
>
> The end.
>
--- End Quote ---
Lee Mason was refereeing to the Vicky Pollard school of
refereeing science when asked if it was a goal "Yeh,but no,but
yeh,but no ,but yeh,but no.............."
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: ajb95
Date: February 27, 2021, 1:36 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
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> What a mess!
>
> Whilst it's true that attacking free-kicks are often allowed
to be taken quickly, this didn't seem the sort of occasion where
it would be allowed (given everyone was expecting it on the
whistle and the goalkeeper was clearly still lining up the
wall.)
>
> I would not normally expect a Premier League referee to blow
for the free-kick to be taken in that precise circumstance
>
> Whether Mason blew for it to be taken and then realised the
goalkeeper's position or blew for something else other than the
restart, who knows - I'm not sure Mason knew himself!
>
> Given Mason clearly wasn't happy and blew the whistle a few
more times, I don't know why he was then talked into allowing
the goal. It was already a bit chaotic but if he'd taken control
and said 'sorry for the confusion lads, I wasn't blowing for the
restart' then he'd at least have regained some authority (and
within the spirit - and as it turned out laws - it felt
reasonable for the goal to be disallowed.)
>
> Given the referee awarded the goal, if VAR's verdict was the
second whistle blew before the ball crossed the line, I'm not
sure what the rationale was for restarting with the free-kick
again?
>
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Surely common sense would say go back to the free kick. One
cannot expect Brighton to be punished twice in this situation
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: guest42
Date: February 27, 2021, 1:41 pm
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In Dunk’s post match interview:
“I said to the ref “Can I take it?” - he said “Yes”. I took it
and scored”
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: Claretman
Date: February 27, 2021, 1:58 pm
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Watching it live on tv i thought mason gave the free kick, said
to the players incl the keeper wait for the whistle.
Having correctly distanced the wall he moved to a side, not a
very good position and whistled without looking
To see where the goalkeeper was. Having whistled and the free
kick was taken in an instant saw where the goalkeeper was and
quickly thought to himself this aint fair i have cocked up so
whistled again prior to the ball entering the goal.
I think mason tried to get himself out of awarding a
controversial goal so he thought.
Var checked that he had blown for the kick to be taken and to
see if there was an offside to be called.
Var decided the whistle had been blown and there was no offside
so asked mason to change his decision to goal.
Var then told mason to hold play or mason asked var to check, as
he had blown a second time, if the second whistle was prior to
entering the goal. Var confirmed the second whistle was prior to
the ball going in the goal.
As the second whistle in masons view was to have the kick
retaken, then that was the play should restart the free kick. I
dont believe mason could tell dunk to take the kick and blow at
the same time ie wdunk said it was ok to take it.
One hell of a mess from both mason and var, initially caused by
mason being too quick on the whistle to allow the
Kick to be taken, possibly by dunk wanting to take it quickly.
As for the commentators on sky not knowing the rule about twice
playing the ball at a penalty kick it beggars belief, though i
am not surprised lee hendie didnt have a clue, i thought bill
leslie would have known better.
I had grave doubts about mason getting this game when the
appointments were made, his best refereeing days are behind him
i am afraid, he aint so good on var either.
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
DIR By: TVOS
Date: February 27, 2021, 2:07 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> Don’t know what all the confusion is about 8)
>
> Mason blew the whistle as Brighton were ready, realised the
WBA keeper wasn’t (tough luck) and blew before then ball crossed
the line hence the goal correctly ruled out!
>
> Mind you if you have 15 shots at goal and miss two penalties
and score 0 goals do you really deserve anything?
>
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That's not quite the point, is it?
Those are things Brighton can control and only have themselves
to blame for; the first incident has been controlled for them by
an official who is out of his depth.
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