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Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Beryl
Date: February 24, 2021, 8:21 am
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> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27496#msg27496
date=1614149362]
> [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=2195.msg27472#msg27472
date=1614102625]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=2195.msg27375#msg27375
date=1614014057]
> [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=2195.msg27360#msg27360
date=1614005800]
> Being a glutton for punishment, I watched the game on Sky live
and remarked very early on that the referee's choice of shirt
was ridiculous. Coventry wore a special one-off kit for the
game which was very dark blue so Martin wearing black was the
worst possible choice. The issue should have been sorted before
kick-off, not at half time. I am of the opinion that referees
should always wear black unless there is a clash, and this was a
case where it was down to common sense.
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Referees don't get to choose what colours they wear, it is all
sorted out ahead of match day. I would hazard a guess that
there has been a communication breakdown and someone hasn't
realised that Coventry were in the special one-off kit. If that
was the case the officiating team probably wouldn't have
realised there was a problem until they were on the pitch.
[/quote]
I take your point entirely. It was nowhere near the usual kit,
but I presume it was approved and Brentford had decided to use
their change strip. However.....the issue should have been
sorted before kick-off, not at half time. Do they not have a
pre-game meeting to prevent things like this happening?
[/quote]
There is totally no excuse for a clash. Leaving aside the
communications, takes thirty seconds to
A- knock on teams door, hi guys, just confirming what colours
you are in
B- check with club rep, secretary, manager, anyone you know of
note
C- prematch warm up...even if they have training gear on....”
remind me of your strip”
D- upon equipment check
E- even as teams come out for ko, someone of the 4 officials, or
3, simply must click the clash
F- some teamlines have a box for, colours, if one says white,
and one says red, you can 99% rest easy
If one says yellow and one says blue, it might be wise to check
the blue
Even at pro level, things happen. Away team arrive but kit does
not, Kitman packed wrong kit, Turns out kit clashes with
home team so away team now wearing home teams away kit. Kit
stuck in traffic or accident
Yes some things not as they were due to Covid, but, a colour
clash is avoidable by simply using common sense and being
proactive.
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It should be even easier than that. In the match confirmation,
even at my lowly level, I expect the home team to state what
colours they, and their goalkeeper, will be wearing and I expect
the away to team do likewise in their reply. If this doesn't
happen I query it. Everyone should know, in advance, who is
wearing what.
[/quote]
Indeed
My point was tho, things happen that are unexpected.
Real life examples I have experienced are, due to road accident,
away team bus arrived, bus with kit stuck in traffic jam, did
not
Have also had AR turn up without the top we were going to wear,
it got left at the match he had the night before
Also had ‘ we were going to wear xxx but our 21s had a clash so
we swapped kits”
Expect the unexpected, we have little control over what awaits
us during the match, we can control having a coloured shirt
which does not clash with either side
True story again, 1991, ref on tv game went out in polo shirt,to
avoid a clash. FIFA listed too....
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Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: February 24, 2021, 9:39 am
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David Elleray at Villa?
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Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Beryl
Date: February 25, 2021, 3:07 am
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> David Elleray at Villa?
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Someone already cleared that up, Was at Leeds
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Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: guest42
Date: February 25, 2021, 5:20 am
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> Clearly the problem should have been spotted before the
officials took to the field, and certainly before kick-off. I
have mentioned before a Rugby League match between Huddersfield
(normal shirts: claret and gold hoops) and Castleford (normal
shirts yellow.) The referee, Brian Hall of Lupset, duly donned
his black shirt and was waiting at the centre of the stand when
Cas emerged irom the dressing room at the end of the stand in
black, with a narrow yellow hoop. Back went Mr Hall,
reappearing in a white shirt, just as Huddersfield trotted out
in their alternative white shirts with narrow claret and gold
hoop. Unusually, Mr Hall did not carry a third option, so had
to referee in borrowed claret and gold hoops.
>
> Those with better memories than mine may be able to give
details of the match at the 1978 World Cup, when the late John
Gordon, as 4th Official((?), had failed to spot a colour clash
between the two teams, leading to a delayed start., and some
criticism.
>
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It was France vs. Hungary in the first group stage:
Both teams arrived to the match with white shirts, and France
was forced to borrow green-striped shirts from local club
Kimberley de Mar del Plata.
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/France_vs_hungary_kimberley.jpg
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Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Beryl
Date: February 25, 2021, 5:52 am
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> [quote author=JCFC link=topic=2195.msg27399#msg27399
date=1614031816]
> Clearly the problem should have been spotted before the
officials took to the field, and certainly before kick-off. I
have mentioned before a Rugby League match between Huddersfield
(normal shirts: claret and gold hoops) and Castleford (normal
shirts yellow.) The referee, Brian Hall of Lupset, duly donned
his black shirt and was waiting at the centre of the stand when
Cas emerged irom the dressing room at the end of the stand in
black, with a narrow yellow hoop. Back went Mr Hall,
reappearing in a white shirt, just as Huddersfield trotted out
in their alternative white shirts with narrow claret and gold
hoop. Unusually, Mr Hall did not carry a third option, so had
to referee in borrowed claret and gold hoops.
>
> Those with better memories than mine may be able to give
details of the match at the 1978 World Cup, when the late John
Gordon, as 4th Official((?), had failed to spot a colour clash
between the two teams, leading to a delayed start., and some
criticism.
>
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It was France vs. Hungary in the first group stage:
Both teams arrived to the match with white shirts, and France
was forced to borrow green-striped shirts from local club
Kimberley de Mar del Plata.
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/France_vs_hungary_kimberley.jpg
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Suppose especially back then, one would assume France be blue,
Hungary red, and think nothing more of it
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Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 25, 2021, 6:00 am
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> Suppose especially back then, one would assume France be blue,
Hungary red, and think nothing more of it
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Hungary's home kit has always been red shirt, white shorts,
green socks - the colours of the flag in order as they are on
the flag. Away kit all white with red and green piping. They'd
obviously brought their away kit as they were the away team on
the day!
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Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: SuffolkRef
Date: February 25, 2021, 8:09 am
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> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27398#msg27398
date=1614028519]
> [quote author=Arbitre anglais
link=topic=2195.msg27396#msg27396 date=1614027503]
> [quote author=PhiltheRef link=topic=2195.msg27354#msg27354
date=1614000694]
> Oh for the days when teams weren't allowed to play in black or
very dark colours eh?
> Incidentally I think I recall a post indicating that "top
level" referees are instructed by the competition which shirt to
wear (The teams having been required to advise the competition
of their intended colours)
> When I was administrating a team our colours formed part of
the confirmation email to the opposition and referee
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I believe the PL do choose the colour, but how do they get it
wrong so often? So many games in PL where a goalkeeper is in
black and so are the officials, despite other choices being an
option. Shouldn’t be hard to get it right!
Martin & team obviously had the purple shirts with them, so why
not use them from the outset, as black was clearly never going
to be great.
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Mr Ellerly famously had to put on a teams training top in a
game, as he only had black
Total guess it was Villa v someone. If someone corrects that,
great
Am sure there was logic to taking one kit, I just cannot work it
out..
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Leeds vs Newcastle, 1997. Newcastle had a navy blue away kit
which clashed with the very similar referee kits at the time.
I believe they only wore it on one other occasion, at Sheffield
Wednesday, when ironically Elleray was the referee again. This
time he was able to come prepared with the previous green
referee kit.
[/quote]
There was also a televised match between Liverpool and Aston
Villa during one of the early Premier League seasons when there
was a clash. The Villa away kit was black and green stripes.
The only shirts available to referees were green or black. Alan
Wilkie refereed most of the match with a white Liverpool
training top worn inside out to prevent the badge (and probably
any sponsorship) from being displayed.
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Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Arbitre anglais
Date: February 27, 2021, 8:55 am
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> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27569#msg27569
date=1614253950]
> Suppose especially back then, one would assume France be blue,
Hungary red, and think nothing more of it
>
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Hungary's home kit has always been red shirt, white shorts,
green socks - the colours of the flag in order as they are on
the flag. Away kit all white with red and green piping. They'd
obviously brought their away kit as they were the away team on
the day!
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I could be mistaken, but I think that back then it wasn’t just
the colours but also the darkness of the kits. As many people
around the world were watching in black & white, I think one
team always had to wear a lighter kit; so in this case red &
royal blue would be avoided. This may have led to the mix up
about who would change to white!?
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