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#Post#: 27496--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Beryl
Date: February 24, 2021, 12:49 am
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--- Quote from: LateTackle link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=2195.msg27375#msg27375
date=1614014057]
> [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=2195.msg27360#msg27360
date=1614005800]
> Being a glutton for punishment, I watched the game on Sky live
and remarked very early on that the referee's choice of shirt
was ridiculous. Coventry wore a special one-off kit for the
game which was very dark blue so Martin wearing black was the
worst possible choice. The issue should have been sorted before
kick-off, not at half time. I am of the opinion that referees
should always wear black unless there is a clash, and this was a
case where it was down to common sense.
>
--- End Quote ---
Referees don't get to choose what colours they wear, it is all
sorted out ahead of match day. I would hazard a guess that
there has been a communication breakdown and someone hasn't
realised that Coventry were in the special one-off kit. If that
was the case the officiating team probably wouldn't have
realised there was a problem until they were on the pitch.
[/quote]
I take your point entirely. It was nowhere near the usual kit,
but I presume it was approved and Brentford had decided to use
their change strip. However.....the issue should have been
sorted before kick-off, not at half time. Do they not have a
pre-game meeting to prevent things like this happening?
[/quote]
There is totally no excuse for a clash. Leaving aside the
communications, takes thirty seconds to
A- knock on teams door, hi guys, just confirming what colours
you are in
B- check with club rep, secretary, manager, anyone you know of
note
C- prematch warm up...even if they have training gear on....”
remind me of your strip”
D- upon equipment check
E- even as teams come out for ko, someone of the 4 officials, or
3, simply must click the clash
F- some teamlines have a box for, colours, if one says white,
and one says red, you can 99% rest easy
If one says yellow and one says blue, it might be wise to check
the blue
Even at pro level, things happen. Away team arrive but kit does
not, Kitman packed wrong kit, Turns out kit clashes with
home team so away team now wearing home teams away kit. Kit
stuck in traffic or accident
Yes some things not as they were due to Covid, but, a colour
clash is avoidable by simply using common sense and being
proactive.
#Post#: 27514--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Hadrian
Date: February 24, 2021, 3:50 am
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--- Quote from: Beryl link ---
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> [quote author=Arbitre anglais
link=topic=2195.msg27396#msg27396 date=1614027503]
> [quote author=PhiltheRef link=topic=2195.msg27354#msg27354
date=1614000694]
> Oh for the days when teams weren't allowed to play in black or
very dark colours eh?
> Incidentally I think I recall a post indicating that "top
level" referees are instructed by the competition which shirt to
wear (The teams having been required to advise the competition
of their intended colours)
> When I was administrating a team our colours formed part of
the confirmation email to the opposition and referee
>
--- End Quote ---
I believe the PL do choose the colour, but how do they get it
wrong so often? So many games in PL where a goalkeeper is in
black and so are the officials, despite other choices being an
option. Shouldn’t be hard to get it right!
Martin & team obviously had the purple shirts with them, so why
not use them from the outset, as black was clearly never going
to be great.
[/quote]
Mr Ellerly famously had to put on a teams training top in a
game, as he only had black
Total guess it was Villa v someone. If someone corrects that,
great
Am sure there was logic to taking one kit, I just cannot work it
out..
[/quote]
Leeds vs Newcastle, 1997. Newcastle had a navy blue away kit
which clashed with the very similar referee kits at the time.
I believe they only wore it on one other occasion, at Sheffield
Wednesday, when ironically Elleray was the referee again. This
time he was able to come prepared with the previous green
referee kit.
#Post#: 27519--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Beryl
Date: February 24, 2021, 4:49 am
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--- Quote from: Hadrian link ---
>
> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27398#msg27398
date=1614028519]
> [quote author=Arbitre anglais
link=topic=2195.msg27396#msg27396 date=1614027503]
> [quote author=PhiltheRef link=topic=2195.msg27354#msg27354
date=1614000694]
> Oh for the days when teams weren't allowed to play in black or
very dark colours eh?
> Incidentally I think I recall a post indicating that "top
level" referees are instructed by the competition which shirt to
wear (The teams having been required to advise the competition
of their intended colours)
> When I was administrating a team our colours formed part of
the confirmation email to the opposition and referee
>
--- End Quote ---
I believe the PL do choose the colour, but how do they get it
wrong so often? So many games in PL where a goalkeeper is in
black and so are the officials, despite other choices being an
option. Shouldn’t be hard to get it right!
Martin & team obviously had the purple shirts with them, so why
not use them from the outset, as black was clearly never going
to be great.
[/quote]
Mr Ellerly famously had to put on a teams training top in a
game, as he only had black
Total guess it was Villa v someone. If someone corrects that,
great
Am sure there was logic to taking one kit, I just cannot work it
out..
[/quote]
Leeds vs Newcastle, 1997. Newcastle had a navy blue away kit
which clashed with the very similar referee kits at the time.
I believe they only wore it on one other occasion, at Sheffield
Wednesday, when ironically Elleray was the referee again. This
time he was able to come prepared with the previous green
referee kit.
[/quote]
Only fair to give him credit for learning from his mistake!
#Post#: 27520--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: JCFC
Date: February 24, 2021, 5:06 am
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--- Quote from: Beryl link ---
>
>
> F- some teamlines have a box for colours
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm intrigued by the use of the term teamlines - I had always
thought that was purely the recognised Scottish usage, "team
sheets" being more widely used in England..
#Post#: 27523--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Beryl
Date: February 24, 2021, 5:26 am
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--- Quote from: JCFC link ---
>
> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27496#msg27496
date=1614149362]
>
> F- some teamlines have a box for colours
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm intrigued by the use of the term teamlines - I had always
thought that was purely the recognised Scottish usage, "team
sheets" being more widely used in England..
[/quote]
Which means that there is more than one country on planet
earth!!
#Post#: 27524--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 24, 2021, 6:14 am
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--- Quote from: Beryl link ---
>
> [quote author=JCFC link=topic=2195.msg27520#msg27520
date=1614164780]
> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27496#msg27496
date=1614149362]
>
> F- some teamlines have a box for colours
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm intrigued by the use of the term teamlines - I had always
thought that was purely the recognised Scottish usage, "team
sheets" being more widely used in England..
[/quote]
Which means that there is more than one country on planet
earth!!
[/quote]
Well yes, I suppose that's right though it's not something one
might necessarily glean based on the news reports of what
happens at Holyrood ;)
#Post#: 27528--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: February 24, 2021, 6:59 am
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--- Quote from: Beryl link ---
>
> [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=2195.msg27472#msg27472
date=1614102625]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=2195.msg27375#msg27375
date=1614014057]
> [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=2195.msg27360#msg27360
date=1614005800]
> Being a glutton for punishment, I watched the game on Sky live
and remarked very early on that the referee's choice of shirt
was ridiculous. Coventry wore a special one-off kit for the
game which was very dark blue so Martin wearing black was the
worst possible choice. The issue should have been sorted before
kick-off, not at half time. I am of the opinion that referees
should always wear black unless there is a clash, and this was a
case where it was down to common sense.
>
--- End Quote ---
Referees don't get to choose what colours they wear, it is all
sorted out ahead of match day. I would hazard a guess that
there has been a communication breakdown and someone hasn't
realised that Coventry were in the special one-off kit. If that
was the case the officiating team probably wouldn't have
realised there was a problem until they were on the pitch.
[/quote]
I take your point entirely. It was nowhere near the usual kit,
but I presume it was approved and Brentford had decided to use
their change strip. However.....the issue should have been
sorted before kick-off, not at half time. Do they not have a
pre-game meeting to prevent things like this happening?
[/quote]
There is totally no excuse for a clash. Leaving aside the
communications, takes thirty seconds to
A- knock on teams door, hi guys, just confirming what colours
you are in
B- check with club rep, secretary, manager, anyone you know of
note
C- prematch warm up...even if they have training gear on....”
remind me of your strip”
D- upon equipment check
E- even as teams come out for ko, someone of the 4 officials, or
3, simply must click the clash
F- some teamlines have a box for, colours, if one says white,
and one says red, you can 99% rest easy
If one says yellow and one says blue, it might be wise to check
the blue
Even at pro level, things happen. Away team arrive but kit does
not, Kitman packed wrong kit, Turns out kit clashes with
home team so away team now wearing home teams away kit. Kit
stuck in traffic or accident
Yes some things not as they were due to Covid, but, a colour
clash is avoidable by simply using common sense and being
proactive.
[/quote]
It should be even easier than that. In the match confirmation,
even at my lowly level, I expect the home team to state what
colours they, and their goalkeeper, will be wearing and I expect
the away to team do likewise in their reply. If this doesn't
happen I query it. Everyone should know, in advance, who is
wearing what.
#Post#: 27531--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: February 24, 2021, 7:18 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27523#msg27523
date=1614165976]
> [quote author=JCFC link=topic=2195.msg27520#msg27520
date=1614164780]
> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27496#msg27496
date=1614149362]
>
> F- some teamlines have a box for colours
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm intrigued by the use of the term teamlines - I had always
thought that was purely the recognised Scottish usage, "team
sheets" being more widely used in England..
[/quote]
Which means that there is more than one country on planet
earth!!
[/quote]
Well yes, I suppose that's right though it's not something one
might necessarily glean based on the news reports of what
happens at Holyrood ;)
[/quote]
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers, or hear
on the BBC for that matter [emoji849]
#Post#: 27532--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 24, 2021, 7:30 am
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--- Quote from: Microscopist link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2195.msg27524#msg27524
date=1614168863]
> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27523#msg27523
date=1614165976]
> [quote author=JCFC link=topic=2195.msg27520#msg27520
date=1614164780]
> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27496#msg27496
date=1614149362]
>
> F- some teamlines have a box for colours
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm intrigued by the use of the term teamlines - I had always
thought that was purely the recognised Scottish usage, "team
sheets" being more widely used in England..
[/quote]
Which means that there is more than one country on planet
earth!!
[/quote]
Well yes, I suppose that's right though it's not something one
might necessarily glean based on the news reports of what
happens at Holyrood ;)
[/quote]
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers, or hear
on the BBC for that matter [emoji849]
[/quote]
Oh, I believe very little of it Microscopist but the nature of
the subject matter is a constant.
#Post#: 27536--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: February 24, 2021, 7:40 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=2195.msg27531#msg27531
date=1614172711]
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2195.msg27524#msg27524
date=1614168863]
> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27523#msg27523
date=1614165976]
> [quote author=JCFC link=topic=2195.msg27520#msg27520
date=1614164780]
> [quote author=Beryl link=topic=2195.msg27496#msg27496
date=1614149362]
>
> F- some teamlines have a box for colours
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm intrigued by the use of the term teamlines - I had always
thought that was purely the recognised Scottish usage, "team
sheets" being more widely used in England..
[/quote]
Which means that there is more than one country on planet
earth!!
[/quote]
Well yes, I suppose that's right though it's not something one
might necessarily glean based on the news reports of what
happens at Holyrood ;)
[/quote]
You shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers, or hear
on the BBC for that matter [emoji849]
[/quote]
Oh, I believe very little of it Microscopist but the nature of
the subject matter is a constant.
[/quote]
Perhaps, being more cynical, I should have replaced everything
with anything?
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