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#Post#: 27401--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: rustyref
Date: February 22, 2021, 4:15 pm
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--- Quote from: Arbitre anglais link ---
>
> [quote author=PhiltheRef link=topic=2195.msg27354#msg27354
date=1614000694]
> Oh for the days when teams weren't allowed to play in black or
very dark colours eh?
> Incidentally I think I recall a post indicating that "top
level" referees are instructed by the competition which shirt to
wear (The teams having been required to advise the competition
of their intended colours)
> When I was administrating a team our colours formed part of
the confirmation email to the opposition and referee
>
--- End Quote ---
I believe the PL do choose the colour, but how do they get it
wrong so often? So many games in PL where a goalkeeper is in
black and so are the officials, despite other choices being an
option. Shouldn’t be hard to get it right!
Martin & team obviously had the purple shirts with them, so why
not use them from the outset, as black was clearly never going
to be great.
[/quote]
There are only four referee shirt colours, and sometimes it is
just impossible to avoid a clash. So it is best to clash with
one of the keepers, and they can't ask the keeper to change as
that affects sponsorship agreements. I would also say as I
always do, why does it matter that the referee clashes with a
keeper, but that is just my view.
Of bigger concern are things like yesterday. Arsenal vs Man
City, rather plan play in their usual blue City play in white,
including white sleeves that completely clashed with Arsenal.
That's a nightware for assistants, how can you judge offside
when both teams are wearing the same coloured sleeves?
#Post#: 27412--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Leggy
Date: February 23, 2021, 1:54 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
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> [quote author=Arbitre anglais
link=topic=2195.msg27396#msg27396 date=1614027503]
> [quote author=PhiltheRef link=topic=2195.msg27354#msg27354
date=1614000694]
> Oh for the days when teams weren't allowed to play in black or
very dark colours eh?
> Incidentally I think I recall a post indicating that "top
level" referees are instructed by the competition which shirt to
wear (The teams having been required to advise the competition
of their intended colours)
> When I was administrating a team our colours formed part of
the confirmation email to the opposition and referee
>
--- End Quote ---
I believe the PL do choose the colour, but how do they get it
wrong so often? So many games in PL where a goalkeeper is in
black and so are the officials, despite other choices being an
option. Shouldn’t be hard to get it right!
Martin & team obviously had the purple shirts with them, so why
not use them from the outset, as black was clearly never going
to be great.
[/quote]
There are only four referee shirt colours, and sometimes it is
just impossible to avoid a clash. So it is best to clash with
one of the keepers, and they can't ask the keeper to change as
that affects sponsorship agreements. I would also say as I
always do, why does it matter that the referee clashes with a
keeper, but that is just my view.
Of bigger concern are things like yesterday. Arsenal vs Man
City, rather plan play in their usual blue City play in white,
including white sleeves that completely clashed with Arsenal.
That's a nightware for assistants, how can you judge offside
when both teams are wearing the same coloured sleeves?
[/quote]
"Nightware for assistants" - would that be the Lino's Pyjamas?
;D ;D ;D
#Post#: 27424--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: February 23, 2021, 5:31 am
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My Club (Altrincham) played in a Rainbow Shirt as part of the
fight against homophobia
Very well it looked too, could hardly be thought to have any
chance of clashing with anyone else (including Officials) and
raised a lot of money for a great cause
#Post#: 27432--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: February 23, 2021, 6:19 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
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> Of bigger concern are things like yesterday. Arsenal vs Man
City, rather plan play in their usual blue City play in white,
including white sleeves that completely clashed with Arsenal.
That's a nightware for assistants, how can you judge offside
when both teams are wearing the same coloured sleeves?
>
--- End Quote ---
I was at a League One game earlier this season between
Peterborough United (blue shirts with white sleeves) and
opponents whose identity escapes me but who were in all white
shirts. Both teams had some players in short-sleeved shirts and
white undershirts. The match officials took exception to this
clash when the players appeared. Peterborough changed to blue
undershirts, which was entirely wrong in law and resulted in
some Peterborough players having white sleeves and some blue; it
was however better than everyone wearing white sleeves.
#Post#: 27451--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 23, 2021, 7:49 am
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--- Quote from: PhiltheRef link ---
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> My Club (Altrincham) played in a Rainbow Shirt as part of the
fight against homophobia
> Very well it looked too, could hardly be thought to have any
chance of clashing with anyone else (including Officials) and
raised a lot of money for a great cause
>
--- End Quote ---
Excellent. That is very good to hear PhiltheRef. I entirely
agree that a rainbow shirt is unlikely to clash with any other
solid colour shirt.
#Post#: 27454--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 23, 2021, 7:52 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Watcher link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=2195.msg27401#msg27401
date=1614032143]
> Of bigger concern are things like yesterday. Arsenal vs Man
City, rather plan play in their usual blue City play in white,
including white sleeves that completely clashed with Arsenal.
That's a nightware for assistants, how can you judge offside
when both teams are wearing the same coloured sleeves?
>
--- End Quote ---
I was at a League One game earlier this season between
Peterborough United (blue shirts with white sleeves) and
opponents whose identity escapes me but who were in all white
shirts. Both teams had some players in short-sleeved shirts and
white undershirts. The match officials took exception to this
clash when the players appeared. Peterborough changed to blue
undershirts, which was entirely wrong in law and resulted in
some Peterborough players having white sleeves and some blue; it
was however better than everyone wearing white sleeves.
[/quote]
Goodness knows it's hard enough at speed to detect offsides when
the margins now are so tight so no part of one side's kit should
be the same as the opposing side and that goes particularly for
sleeves which are thin bands of colour at the best of times.
#Post#: 27460--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: jad
Date: February 23, 2021, 9:59 am
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Those of us who are, so to speak, differently youthful will
remember that for many years goalkeepers and match officials in
most European countries all used to wear black.
Apropos of JCFC's post, I also seem to remember that John Gordon
never made it to the 1978 World Cup finals, since the SFA had to
withdraw his nomination when an indiscretion relating to a
European tie came to light.
#Post#: 27464--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: JCFC
Date: February 23, 2021, 10:34 am
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John Gordon did go to the 1978 Finals in Argentina, refereeing a
match in each of the first two rounds.
The spending spree on the AC Milan credit card came before a
European tie in the latter part of that year.
#Post#: 27467--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: jad
Date: February 23, 2021, 11:02 am
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I stand corrected. Thank you.
#Post#: 27472--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stephen Martin, Coventry v Brentford
DIR By: LateTackle
Date: February 23, 2021, 11:50 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
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> [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=2195.msg27360#msg27360
date=1614005800]
> Being a glutton for punishment, I watched the game on Sky live
and remarked very early on that the referee's choice of shirt
was ridiculous. Coventry wore a special one-off kit for the
game which was very dark blue so Martin wearing black was the
worst possible choice. The issue should have been sorted before
kick-off, not at half time. I am of the opinion that referees
should always wear black unless there is a clash, and this was a
case where it was down to common sense.
>
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Referees don't get to choose what colours they wear, it is all
sorted out ahead of match day. I would hazard a guess that
there has been a communication breakdown and someone hasn't
realised that Coventry were in the special one-off kit. If that
was the case the officiating team probably wouldn't have
realised there was a problem until they were on the pitch.
[/quote]
I take your point entirely. It was nowhere near the usual kit,
but I presume it was approved and Brentford had decided to use
their change strip. However.....the issue should have been
sorted before kick-off, not at half time. Do they not have a
pre-game meeting to prevent things like this happening?
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