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#Post#: 27058--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: February 17, 2021, 6:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Referee99 link=topic=2175.msg27032#msg27032
date=1613583333]
> He’s now been charged by the FA
>
--- End Quote ---
Another referee hung out to dry by the FA no doubt and we wonder
why recruitment and retention of referees is so pathetically
poor.
It's a good job that John Key, John Yates and all referees of
yesteryear who wore their hearts on their sleeve aren't about
now as they wouldn't survive. Refereeing , like most
professions, seeks to eliminate character and replace it with a
bland robotic mien.
[/quote]
You have hit the nail on the head with absolute precision, as
always sir!
#Post#: 27060--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: guest42
Date: February 18, 2021, 1:22 am
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2175.msg27040#msg27040
date=1613593972]
> [quote author=Referee99 link=topic=2175.msg27032#msg27032
date=1613583333]
> He’s now been charged by the FA
>
--- End Quote ---
Another referee hung out to dry by the FA no doubt and we wonder
why recruitment and retention of referees is so pathetically
poor.
It's a good job that John Key, John Yates and all referees of
yesteryear who wore their hearts on their sleeve aren't about
now as they wouldn't survive. Refereeing , like most
professions, seeks to eliminate character and replace it with a
bland robotic mien.
[/quote]
You have hit the nail on the head with absolute precision, as
always sir!
[/quote]
God knows how Gordon Hill would have coped in today's game!
#Post#: 27066--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 18, 2021, 3:38 am
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2175.msg27040#msg27040
date=1613593972]
> [quote author=Referee99 link=topic=2175.msg27032#msg27032
date=1613583333]
> He’s now been charged by the FA
>
--- End Quote ---
Another referee hung out to dry by the FA no doubt and we wonder
why recruitment and retention of referees is so pathetically
poor.
It's a good job that John Key, John Yates and all referees of
yesteryear who wore their hearts on their sleeve aren't about
now as they wouldn't survive. Refereeing , like most
professions, seeks to eliminate character and replace it with a
bland robotic mien.
[/quote]
You have hit the nail on the head with absolute precision, as
always sir!
[/quote]
Thank you TTFL. I'm not sure my cognitive hammer is always as
accurate as you kindly aver but I appreciate your compliment
greatly.
#Post#: 27067--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 18, 2021, 3:43 am
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--- Quote from: BAFRA #217 link ---
>
> [quote author=TheThingFromLewes
link=topic=2175.msg27058#msg27058 date=1613606702]
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2175.msg27040#msg27040
date=1613593972]
> [quote author=Referee99 link=topic=2175.msg27032#msg27032
date=1613583333]
> He’s now been charged by the FA
>
--- End Quote ---
Another referee hung out to dry by the FA no doubt and we wonder
why recruitment and retention of referees is so pathetically
poor.
It's a good job that John Key, John Yates and all referees of
yesteryear who wore their hearts on their sleeve aren't about
now as they wouldn't survive. Refereeing , like most
professions, seeks to eliminate character and replace it with a
bland robotic mien.
[/quote]
You have hit the nail on the head with absolute precision, as
always sir!
[/quote]
God knows how Gordon Hill would have coped in today's game!
[/quote]
Well absolutely and Harold Hackney also. No room for expressing
personality now because that means difference and in today's
creed, difference is bad. What is required is absolute sameness
only the word sameness is pronounced as consistency.
#Post#: 27068--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: February 18, 2021, 4:08 am
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Oh yes, Harold Hackney. Known for calling a spade a shovel
according to Pat Partridge in his book.
In more recent times, referees like Graham Poll and Jeff Winter
could use body language in a quite aggressive way, although not
to the extent of Darren Drysdale in this particular incident.
Being an old timer when it comes to referee watching, I freely
admit that I miss the characters with personality. Some
referees used humour to diffuse a situation but my impression is
that rarely happens nowadays. Perhaps players would be less
likely to respond to humour anyway.
#Post#: 27070--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: guest42
Date: February 18, 2021, 4:19 am
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The days of a batch of Kirkpatricks are long behind us sadly
#Post#: 27072--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: Leggy
Date: February 18, 2021, 4:57 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Fan link ---
>
> Oh yes, Harold Hackney. Known for calling a spade a shovel
according to Pat Partridge in his book.
>
> In more recent times, referees like Graham Poll and Jeff
Winter could use body language in a quite aggressive way,
although not to the extent of Darren Drysdale in this particular
incident.
>
> Being an old timer when it comes to referee watching, I freely
admit that I miss the characters with personality. Some
referees used humour to diffuse a situation but my impression is
that rarely happens nowadays. Perhaps players would be less
likely to respond to humour anyway.
>
--- End Quote ---
The humour might be lost when players do not have English as
their first language - but your point is well made.
If OFFINABUS is pretty much not permitted today (at least at the
elite level) then responding to verbal barbs on a "like for
like" basis cannot really be frowned upon. It has been known
for a referee to tell a player who had just given one a mouthful
of fruity comments to "sod off" only to be advised that: "You
can't talk to me like that".
Hypocrisy defined.
#Post#: 27074--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: LateTackle
Date: February 18, 2021, 6:18 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Referee99 link=topic=2175.msg27032#msg27032
date=1613583333]
> He’s now been charged by the FA
>
--- End Quote ---
Another referee hung out to dry by the FA no doubt and we wonder
why recruitment and retention of referees is so pathetically
poor.
It's a good job that John Key, John Yates and all referees of
yesteryear who wore their hearts on their sleeve aren't about
now as they wouldn't survive. Refereeing , like most
professions, seeks to eliminate character and replace it with a
bland robotic mien.
[/quote]
I think it's a bit early to say he's been hung out to dry. I
suggested earlier that it would be right to investigate and that
he should be removed from games in the meantime, a neutral
action. He has been charged and the process will take its
course, which is entirely correct. I take the view that
referees should be capable of controlling their aggression and
if they can't, they are in the wrong job. If Drysdale acted
improperly then he will be sanctioned but it should not be
pre-judged.
As for your general point, I absolutely agree that many of the
referees I remember from yesteryear would never survive today,
or - more accurately - would never reach top level at all. Many
of them were people who stamped their personality on their games
and achieved rapport with the players. It seems to me that any
personality and individuality is completely discouraged, or even
that referees are selected for their lack of personality, given
that some seem to officiate like automatons. The game is
undoubtedly poorer for that. Many fine referees in the past
controlled games with that personality and rapport rather than
waving cards around all the time.
#Post#: 27079--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: nemesis
Date: February 18, 2021, 7:36 am
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--- Quote from: DublinRef link ---
>
>
>
> I think Paul Lambert's comments show a certain lack of class.
>
>
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Nothing like so much as his teams have shown lately !
#Post#: 27080--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 18, 2021, 8:01 am
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--- Quote from: LateTackle link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2175.msg27040#msg27040
date=1613593972]
> [quote author=Referee99 link=topic=2175.msg27032#msg27032
date=1613583333]
> He’s now been charged by the FA
>
--- End Quote ---
Another referee hung out to dry by the FA no doubt and we wonder
why recruitment and retention of referees is so pathetically
poor.
It's a good job that John Key, John Yates and all referees of
yesteryear who wore their hearts on their sleeve aren't about
now as they wouldn't survive. Refereeing , like most
professions, seeks to eliminate character and replace it with a
bland robotic mien.
[/quote]
I think it's a bit early to say he's been hung out to dry. I
suggested earlier that it would be right to investigate and that
he should be removed from games in the meantime, a neutral
action. He has been charged and the process will take its
course, which is entirely correct. I take the view that
referees should be capable of controlling their aggression and
if they can't, they are in the wrong job. If Drysdale acted
improperly then he will be sanctioned but it should not be
pre-judged.
As for your general point, I absolutely agree that many of the
referees I remember from yesteryear would never survive today,
or - more accurately - would never reach top level at all. Many
of them were people who stamped their personality on their games
and achieved rapport with the players. It seems to me that any
personality and individuality is completely discouraged, or even
that referees are selected for their lack of personality, given
that some seem to officiate like automatons. The game is
undoubtedly poorer for that. Many fine referees in the past
controlled games with that personality and rapport rather than
waving cards around all the time.
[/quote]
Perhaps I would have expressed myself better by saying ' I have
little doubt that he will be hung out to dry ' though I live
in hope of being pleasantly surprised. I would have more
sympathy with the FA taking a draconian line with Drysdale if
they were equally stringent about insisting on eliminating
offensive and abusive language directed to match officials and
backing referees up when they seek to do this. Oh yes, and a
determined and sustained effort to address properly the issue of
simulation, aka cheating, with strict retrospective punishments.
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