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Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: guest42
Date: February 17, 2021, 10:28 am
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2175.msg27000#msg27000
date=1613554972]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=2175.msg26983#msg26983
date=1613516891]
> I only operated as high as National League, but there is
absolutely an expectation that players aren't sent off for
OFFINABUS. After all, how many top level players are sent off
for that offence? Is that right, no it isn't, but it would need
intervention starting at the top level to fix it.
> The top level referees don't have that excuse (although they
could still have personal issues), but those at L1 and below
certainly do.
>
--- End Quote ---
I do not condone the actions of Darren and expect him to be
disciplined and reminded of his responsibilities.
However directly to you rustyref, Whilst I believe what you say
I find what you say to be both ridiculous and unsurprising. It’s
no wonder grassroots are under so much pressure when the
professional game is obviously playing to different rules and
interpretations.
How can one justify to a 16 year old kid or a pub team on a
Sunday they should be sent off for OFFINABUS when they say “but
xxx didn’t get sent off in the premiership yesterday?”
Is it any wonder so many referees have quit the game with an
admission like that?
The governing bodies have brought it upon themselves!! The
pathetic pandering and bow down to big clubs, players and
leagues has created this mess instead of getting a grip with a
clear issue.
Clear diving, cheating, confronting referees, referee blaming,
from across the media and the like going unpunished - how long
has it been going on?
In that sense I have every sympathy with Darren.
[/quote]
This brings to mind when I was Registration Secretary for our
local Sunday League and Sir Trevor Brooking was well involved at
the FA and many areas were struggling for referees. I think
that, from memory, this was around 2008 and the 'Respect'
campaign was being mooted at the time. He was asked why the FA
was not starting at the top to get rid of foul and abusive
language because this would filter down to grassroots. He argued
that the respect should start at grassroots level and this would
then filter through to the top, in spite of the interviewer
telling him that the top players should act as role models.
Having heard this, I wrote to the FA and queried why the
campaign could not start by dealing with the role models. Their
answer was that they could not stamp that out because it was
considered 'Industrial Language' and that the field of play was
their work place.
Consequently, we were left with a situation where local referees
were dismissing players for their language, as per the FA
instruction, but there was absolutely nothing done at the top
level.
This showed to me that there was no real desire to sort anything
out at the top level and that officials would continue to be
vilified in one way or another should they try to implement any
real jurisdiction.
Now that the fans are absent, we can hear just how much
industrial language is used and every broadcast is littered with
apologies from commentators in case you heard any bad language!
[/quote]
“Do as I say - not as I do”
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Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: guest42
Date: February 17, 2021, 10:32 am
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--- Quote from: Seagull link ---
>
> Dermot Gallagher echoes my earlier comments and thoughts on
this matter, i.e. you have to maintain self control and
composure as a Referee, no matter what provocation may come your
way.
>
>
HTML https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11707/12220393/referee-darren-drysdale-squares-up-to-ipswichs-alan-judge-during-game
>
--- End Quote ---
Once lockdown is over - I’ll be making contact to book a day
where I can follow you around swearing at high volume and
calling you every name under the sun and then plead complete
innocence if you turn around and do or say something back.
#Post#: 27032--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: Referee99
Date: February 17, 2021, 11:35 am
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He’s now been charged by the FA
#Post#: 27033--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: SuffolkRef
Date: February 17, 2021, 12:20 pm
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--- Quote from: Seagull link ---
>
> Dermot Gallagher echoes my earlier comments and thoughts on
this matter, i.e. you have to maintain self control and
composure as a Referee, no matter what provocation may come your
way (see lower down the article).
>
>
HTML https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11707/12220393/referee-darren-drysdale-squares-up-to-ipswichs-alan-judge-during-game
>
--- End Quote ---
I see in that link Paul Lambert feels that the apology is "very
soft". While I can understand his disappointment not to have
been awarded a penalty in that incident, I can't help but feel
it may have reflected better on him and the club if the apology
was accepted and everyone just moved on. Possibly even an
apology for whatever the player concerned said.
--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> On a different matter. If the match was a dire as people are
saying, it doesn't exactly encourage me to make the journey and
return to Portman Road when restrictions are eased and it is
permitted once again to do so.
>
--- End Quote ---
It was difficult enough watching it at home in the warm without
going there to see it.
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Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: February 17, 2021, 12:27 pm
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--- Quote from: SuffolkRef link ---
>
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=2175.msg27029#msg27029
date=1613579281]
> Dermot Gallagher echoes my earlier comments and thoughts on
this matter, i.e. you have to maintain self control and
composure as a Referee, no matter what provocation may come your
way (see lower down the article).
>
>
HTML https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11707/12220393/referee-darren-drysdale-squares-up-to-ipswichs-alan-judge-during-game
>
--- End Quote ---
I see in that link Paul Lambert feels that the apology is "very
soft". While I can understand his disappointment not to have
been awarded a penalty in that incident, I can't help but feel
it may have reflected better on him and the club if the apology
was accepted and everyone just moved on. Possibly even an
apology for whatever the player concerned said.
--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> On a different matter. If the match was a dire as people are
saying, it doesn't exactly encourage me to make the journey and
return to Portman Road when restrictions are eased and it is
permitted once again to do so.
>
--- End Quote ---
It was difficult enough watching it at home in the warm without
going there to see it.
[/quote]
I think Paul Lambert's comments show a certain lack of class.
His assertion that his player would have been given a 6 month
ban or more had he done similar to Drysdale is nonsense and with
regard to calling the apology soft - I'd be intrigued to know
the last time he felt the need to issue a public apology to a
referee about his/one of his players behaviour. On the whole I
think he missed an opportunity to accept the apology with grace
and move on, or simply say nothing and let the FA deal with it.
Instead he has decided to aggravate an already difficult
situation and one is left questioning his motivation for doing
so...
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Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: JCFC
Date: February 17, 2021, 1:49 pm
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
>
> This brings to mind when I was Registration Secretary for our
local Sunday League and Sir Trevor Brooking was well involved at
the FA and many areas were struggling for referees. I think
that, from memory, this was around 2008 and the 'Respect'
campaign was being mooted at the time. He was asked why the FA
was not starting at the top to get rid of foul and abusive
language because this would filter down to grassroots. He argued
that the respect should start at grassroots level and this would
then filter through to the top, in spite of the interviewer
telling him that the top players should act as role models.
> Having heard this, I wrote to the FA and queried why the
campaign could not start by dealing with the role models. Their
answer was that they could not stamp that out because it was
considered 'Industrial Language' and that the field of play was
their work place.
> Consequently, we were left with a situation where local
referees were dismissing players for their language, as per the
FA instruction, but there was absolutely nothing done at the top
level.
>
> This showed to me that there was no real desire to sort
anything out at the top level and that officials would continue
to be vilified in one way or another should they try to
implement any real jurisdiction.
> Now that the fans are absent, we can hear just how much
industrial language is used and every broadcast is littered with
apologies from commentators in case you heard any bad language!
>
--- End Quote ---
This is the clear winner of the most depressing post of the year
to date - not that Ashington46 is in any way to blame. It serves
to confirm the hypocrisy, disingenuousness and utter uselessness
of those responsible for running the game in this country. I too
despair.
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Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 17, 2021, 2:32 pm
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--- Quote from: Referee99 link ---
>
> He’s now been charged by the FA
>
--- End Quote ---
Another referee hung out to dry by the FA no doubt and we wonder
why recruitment and retention of referees is so pathetically
poor.
It's a good job that John Key, John Yates and all referees of
yesteryear who wore their hearts on their sleeve aren't about
now as they wouldn't survive. Refereeing , like most
professions, seeks to eliminate character and replace it with a
bland robotic mien.
#Post#: 27045--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 17, 2021, 3:05 pm
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--- Quote from: justalino link ---
>
> If ever an illustration was needed of what's wrong with how
the media portray football, this is surely it.
>
> Players dive, cheat, feign injury, swear, week in, week out
and everyone accepts it as part of the game. A referee (a human
being) reaches his tolerance for a split second and reacts and
it makes headlines across the world.
>
> As officials, we are the keepers of the standards - I get that
- so our behaviour should be a 'cut above'. But I hope over the
coming days the media 'slant' on it turns to one of a match
official who, for one brief moment, has had his fill of crap
from players and could take no more.
>
--- End Quote ---
This!
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Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: February 17, 2021, 4:31 pm
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JUst adding to my earlier post --that was 13 years ago.
Tonight I watched Everton v Man City and give credit to Andre
Marriner who kept 22 players on the pitch, in spite of some of
the venom directed towards him and his colleagues from
Richarlisson who just does not seem able to accept any decision
unless it is in his favour!
#Post#: 27056--------------------------------------------------
Re: Darren Drysdale
DIR By: RCG
Date: February 17, 2021, 5:28 pm
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I always found it strange that at pro level language was
dismissed as "industrial" and we should not take offence. Yet we
expect the postie, the brick layer, the solicitor and burger
flipper to be held to a higher standard when they play on a
Saturday.
If I was to use any language in my job at a stakeholder
(colleague or customer) I would have final written warning or be
dismissed. Yet we allow players to undermine us, wind up the
opposition (and crowds when we had them) using whatever choice
words they want.
And my learned colleague (think it was Acme) was right. We were
told at National League level and above that dismissals for
OFINABUS were "hard to sell" and "not wanted by the clubs, for
any player"
Mick Bailey tells of a story back in the day when he dismissed a
player for comments made basically "youre an ................
cheat". The swear words were ignored as "part and parcel" of the
game, player got done for saying cheat. Not sure too much has
changed.
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