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#Post#: 26485--------------------------------------------------
Aston Villa vs Arsenal - Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: dtrv2
Date: February 6, 2021, 5:27 pm
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Not sure if anyone saw this, but a bit of a mixed bag from
Kavanagh.
Firstly, I don't think the first Konsa challenge on Saka was a
red card, despite the hysteria on Twitter. Saka was far enough
away from goal for enough doubt not to make it obvious, although
it's unfortunate a decision like that followed the (IMO correct)
red card for Luiz for DOGSO the previous match as it always
magnifies these things.
However, Konsa then went through the back of Lacazette as he
laid it off, Kavanagh chose to play advantage and then just have
a word. A pretty bog standard reckless challenge that is given a
YC 99% of the time, but not the second yellow it should have
been today.
There was also an odd moment in the first half when a Villa
player ran towards a free kick and Kavanagh gave a new free kick
for the handball, but ignored the fact he'd charged down a FK.
As far as I'm aware there's been no change to the law about
failing to retreat so hard to understand why no YC followed
given he gave the new FK.
Finally, there is the foul Kavanagh gave against Lacazette on
Martinez. My first impression was it had to be a foul by
Lacazette for bundling in to Martinez, so no real issues with
Kavanagh's initial decision. However, on replays it is clear to
see that Martinez grabs hold of Lacazette and pulls him into him
causing them both to go to ground. Why the VAR (Coote) didn't
intervene is bizarre.
It's been a testing time for Arsenal fans with refereeing
decisions over the last three games - Fernandes challenge on
Xhaka unpunished, two (IMO correct) reds at Wolves and then the
(IMO correct) non red on Konsa for DOGSO, followed by (IMO)
incorrect non-SBO on Konsa and non-penalty. Granted three of
those 6 big decisions were correct, and Pawson was as unlucky as
Luiz was to have to send him off given the completely accidental
nature of that challenge, and I'm sure things will even
themselves out at some point and an opponent will complain about
decisions we get, but it's unfortunate to have such a run of
controversial decisions going against us in such a short space
of time.
One other strange thing related to this game, on BT Sport after
the game, Peter Walton's defence of the VAR not intervening on
Martinez's foul on Lacazette was that VAR "isn't there to get
the right decision", and that "it isn't there to intervene in
subjective decisions". Not sure how either of those statements
can possibly be correct... ???
#Post#: 26486--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aston Villa vs Arsenal - Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 6, 2021, 6:01 pm
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--- Quote from: dtrv2 link ---
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>
> Finally, there is the foul Kavanagh gave against Lacazette on
Martinez. My first impression was it had to be a foul by
Lacazette for bundling in to Martinez, so no real issues with
Kavanagh's initial decision. However, on replays it is clear to
see that Martinez grabs hold of Lacazette and pulls him into him
causing them both to go to ground. Why the VAR (Coote) didn't
intervene is bizarre.
>
>
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The Martinez/Lacazette - VAR can only intervene if there was a
goal, penalty decision or direct red card incident arising out
of it. I've not seen it, I was enjoying my NBI games, but if it
didn't fall into any of those categories then VAR simplay cannot
intervene. I doubt it fell into mistaken identity.
--- Quote from: dtrv2 link ---
>
> One other strange thing related to this game, on BT Sport
after the game, Peter Walton's defence of the VAR not
intervening on Martinez's foul on Lacazette was that VAR "isn't
there to get the right decision", and that "it isn't there to
intervene in subjective decisions". Not sure how either of those
statements can possibly be correct... ???
>
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I guess the first one is technically correct because VAR can
only intervene on goals/red cards/penalties & mistaken identity
if there has been a clear and obvious error or serious missed
incident, so a foul that does not fall into one of those
categories and is missed by a referee, like a yellow card
incident, diving etc that is a wrong call cannot be corrected by
VAR.
In relation to the subjective issue, this is what the PGMO say:
For subjective decisions, either the referee informs the VAR
that a decision should be reviewed or the VAR identifies a
“clear and obvious error” in one of the four match-changing
situations and communicates this to the referee.
At the next stoppage of the match, the referee will hold up the
restart of play until a decision has been reached.
The referee explains their decision to the VAR, and what they
have seen from the pitch.
The VAR reviews the broadcast footage, using as many angles as
possible. Real-time replays will be used initially to check for
intensity. Slow-motion replays will be used to identify the
point of contact.
If the VAR’s view does not agree with what the referee believes
they have seen then they can recommend an overturn.
#Post#: 26493--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aston Villa vs Arsenal - Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: ajb95
Date: February 7, 2021, 4:01 am
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Was a clear foul by Martinez and should have been overturned.
Surprised by the comment on here - I think Arsenal have
benefitted from a fair few penalties given nor given this season
#Post#: 26502--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aston Villa vs Arsenal - Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: dtrv2
Date: February 7, 2021, 6:12 am
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> [quote author=dtrv2 link=topic=2149.msg26485#msg26485
date=1612654045]
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> Finally, there is the foul Kavanagh gave against Lacazette on
Martinez. My first impression was it had to be a foul by
Lacazette for bundling in to Martinez, so no real issues with
Kavanagh's initial decision. However, on replays it is clear to
see that Martinez grabs hold of Lacazette and pulls him into him
causing them both to go to ground. Why the VAR (Coote) didn't
intervene is bizarre.
>
>
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The Martinez/Lacazette - VAR can only intervene if there was a
goal, penalty decision or direct red card incident arising out
of it. I've not seen it, I was enjoying my NBI games, but if it
didn't fall into any of those categories then VAR simplay cannot
intervene. I doubt it fell into mistaken identity.
[/quote]
The Lacazette/Martinez incident was a penalty/non-penalty
decision so was something VAR could have intervened with.
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Re: Aston Villa vs Arsenal - Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 7, 2021, 9:39 am
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--- Quote from: dtrv2 link ---
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> The Lacazette/Martinez incident was a penalty/non-penalty
decision so was something VAR could have intervened with.
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Thanks. As I said I didn't watch so was just giving a general
answer.
#Post#: 26518--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aston Villa vs Arsenal - Chris Kavanagh
DIR By: Claretman
Date: February 7, 2021, 10:16 am
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Whether right or wrong i think most sg1 referees would have
ruled in favour of the goalkeeper in this situation.
I can see both arguements in this case, would probably have been
ruled the opposite way on a different day with a different
referee and var.
Goalkeepers seem to be untouchable and can do no wrong in the
six yard box.
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