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#Post#: 26472--------------------------------------------------
Re: M DEAN - Fulham v West Ham
DIR By: rustyref
Date: February 6, 2021, 2:52 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> All these people on here blaming Mason is baffling! The VAR
recommends a OFR. The decision ultimately lies with the onfield
official.
>
> 2 big errors: one by Mike Dean to send him off and 1 by
Mitrovic who’s pathetic rolling around and theatrics have forced
the referee into making a decision. Mike Dean can’t help himself
can he??
>
> This is the problem with players cheating and the
administrators doing nothing about it!! Until the authorities
get a grip with this and referees stop giving silly free kicks
for the smallest bit of contact then the game will continue down
this awful sorry path!
>
--- End Quote ---
That isn't how it really works. In Europe on field reviews
hardly ever result in the original result standing, and after
Graham Scott went to the monitor and stuck with his original
decision I suspect PL referees have been told to go with VAR.
It is a difficult message otherwise, you have an SG1 referee
saying it is a red card but the on pitch referee thinks he is
wrong.
#Post#: 26474--------------------------------------------------
Re: M DEAN - Fulham v West Ham
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: February 6, 2021, 3:02 pm
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When is it acceptable to lift you are outwards, above your
shoulder and strike an opponent with your elbow? Duty of care is
surely of paramount importance here. A USA referees briefing
from just a few years back defines deliberate force when your
arm is out from your body, above the shoulder and makes contact
with the face of an opponent. Nothing about outcome, or injury
to the other player. The guidance is (or was) such that what we
saw tonight was a red card back then in the USA. Indeed, many
years earlier, it was proposed that any elbow into an opponent's
face is an automatic red card. What became of that I do not
know, but at what point do you say actions like this is
dangerous - up to the point that someone is actually hurt?
Players should have a duty of care and while the sending off may
be seen as erroneous, such an action could so easily have hurt
someone. Why do players put there arms up and out especially
above their shoulders?
#Post#: 26475--------------------------------------------------
Re: M DEAN - Fulham v West Ham
DIR By: ajb95
Date: February 6, 2021, 3:03 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2148.msg26463#msg26463
date=1612641498]
> All these people on here blaming Mason is baffling! The VAR
recommends a OFR. The decision ultimately lies with the onfield
official.
>
> 2 big errors: one by Mike Dean to send him off and 1 by
Mitrovic who’s pathetic rolling around and theatrics have forced
the referee into making a decision. Mike Dean can’t help himself
can he??
>
> This is the problem with players cheating and the
administrators doing nothing about it!! Until the authorities
get a grip with this and referees stop giving silly free kicks
for the smallest bit of contact then the game will continue down
this awful sorry path!
>
--- End Quote ---
That isn't how it really works. In Europe on field reviews
hardly ever result in the original result standing, and after
Graham Scott went to the monitor and stuck with his original
decision I suspect PL referees have been told to go with VAR.
It is a difficult message otherwise, you have an SG1 referee
saying it is a red card but the on pitch referee thinks he is
wrong.
[/quote]
1. They are obviously operating VAR differently on the
continent.
2. P Walton explained how the VAR operates - that the decision
ultimately lies with the referee. If they can’t make up their
own mind or are scared of overruling their own counterparts then
they’re in the wrong profession!
#Post#: 26476--------------------------------------------------
Re: M DEAN - Fulham v West Ham
DIR By: ajb95
Date: February 6, 2021, 3:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Failed Ref link ---
>
> When is it acceptable to lift you are outwards, above your
shoulder and strike an opponent with your elbow? Duty of care is
surely of paramount importance here. A USA referees briefing
from just a few years back defines deliberate force when your
arm is out from your body, above the shoulder and makes contact
with the face of an opponent. Nothing about outcome, or injury
to the other player. The guidance is (or was) such that what we
saw tonight was a red card back then in the USA. Indeed, many
years earlier, it was proposed that any elbow into an opponent's
face is an automatic red card. What became of that I do not
know, but at what point do you say actions like this is
dangerous - up to the point that someone is actually hurt?
Players should have a duty of care and while the sending off may
be seen as erroneous, such an action could so easily have hurt
someone. Why do players put there arms up and out especially
above their shoulders?
>
--- End Quote ---
Come on mate! It’s barely a touch. He goes down like he’s been
shot!! Mitrovic complaining he shouldn’t be sent off, you
shouldn’t be playacting trying to get people sent off!!!!
#Post#: 26477--------------------------------------------------
Re: M DEAN - Fulham v West Ham
DIR By: Gorgeous George
Date: February 6, 2021, 3:11 pm
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I agree AJB, it’s the players here that need to stop all the
gamesmanship and rolling around feigning injury. The games
become farcical because no one ever puts any responsibility on
the players and the PFA. It’s always the refs fault 🥴
#Post#: 26478--------------------------------------------------
Re: M DEAN - Fulham v West Ham
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 6, 2021, 3:16 pm
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--- Quote from: AFAref link ---
>
> [quote author=badref link=topic=2148.msg26460#msg26460
date=1612640907]
>
> It's an absolute farce. Just take a look on Twitter and see
what the punters think.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Dean could have a perfect game, and twitter followers would
slate him. They start before the game kicks off.
[/quote]
This exactly.
The vast majority of the punters who shout loudly barely know
the LOTG exist let alone what is in them. Look at the absolute
rubbish flying Pawson's way for a correct decision last week -
says it all about the validity of what the Punters opinion
means!
#Post#: 26479--------------------------------------------------
Re: M DEAN - Fulham v West Ham
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: February 6, 2021, 3:22 pm
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I think in UEFA competitions referees do feel more comfortable
going against the recommendations of the VAR. I have no evidence
other than it has happened more often than in the PL and that's
with more accurate VAR interventions on the whole in Europe IMO.
Scott and Marriner have gone against the VAR this season so I'm
not saying its an explicit policy that they can't but I think
one has to get the impression there is a strong expectation from
the PGMOL that referees will follow VAR advice. Dean isn't the
first referee who has looked unhappy after returning from an
OFR...
#Post#: 26480--------------------------------------------------
Re: M DEAN - Fulham v West Ham
DIR By: Mackem ref
Date: February 6, 2021, 3:25 pm
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If only Graham Scott or Andre Marriner were refereeing - rightly
or wrongly, at least they weren’t compelled to back VAR because
it’s what Riley wants to happen! Mason needs to retire, his
refereeing is poor at best and clearly VAR isn’t a role suited
to him either!
#Post#: 26482--------------------------------------------------
Re: M DEAN - Fulham v West Ham
DIR By: nemesis
Date: February 6, 2021, 3:56 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2148.msg26463#msg26463
date=1612641498]
> All these people on here blaming Mason is baffling! The VAR
recommends a OFR. The decision ultimately lies with the onfield
official.
>
> 2 big errors: one by Mike Dean to send him off and 1 by
Mitrovic who’s pathetic rolling around and theatrics have forced
the referee into making a decision. Mike Dean can’t help himself
can he??
>
> This is the problem with players cheating and the
administrators doing nothing about it!! Until the authorities
get a grip with this and referees stop giving silly free kicks
for the smallest bit of contact then the game will continue down
this awful sorry path!
>
--- End Quote ---
That isn't how it really works. In Europe on field reviews
hardly ever result in the original result standing, and after
Graham Scott went to the monitor and stuck with his original
decision I suspect PL referees have been told to go with VAR.
It is a difficult message otherwise, you have an SG1 referee
saying it is a red card but the on pitch referee thinks he is
wrong.
[/quote]
Anyone with an ounce of feeling for the game would have looked
at the monitor, cancelled the red card and shown a yellow to
Mitrovic.
"isn't how it works" ???? I'm fed up with how it works. Premier
League games are barely worth watching now.
VAR was meant to help out the overstretched on-field officials.
Instead it's just providing two SG referees a chance to
adversely influence a game instead of the previous one.
But above all I'm fed up with the cheating. The lily-livered
administrators are making no attempt to deal with it and the
compliant referees don't want to rock the boat - they're doing
very nicely thank you out of this pathetic charade.
#Post#: 26483--------------------------------------------------
Re: M DEAN - Fulham v West Ham
DIR By: Hendo
Date: February 6, 2021, 4:24 pm
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--- Quote from: AFAref link ---
>
> [quote author=badref link=topic=2148.msg26460#msg26460
date=1612640907]
>
> It's an absolute farce. Just take a look on Twitter and see
what the punters think.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Dean could have a perfect game, and twitter followers would
slate him. They start before the game kicks off.
Football, at the highest level, is now a different game to what
we all started watching. The Club World Cup is showing the way
it is going. Hopefully the punters will stop going and start to
switch off and go back down to the lower levels, when we can
resume spectating, where the game we grew to love still gets
played
[/quote]
Conversely Dean could have a cr** game ( and he has in his last
2 matches) and some folk on this site will still praise him to
the skies and find either excuses or others to blame, in this
case Lee Mason.
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