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#Post#: 26419--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 6, 2021, 3:46 am
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--- Quote from: RCG link ---
>
> Clive Wilkes was another referee who quietly got in with his
job - has a very dry sense of humour
> Colin Webster made you feel part of his team and that he was
there in the "bunker" with you (something I tried to bring to my
games)
> Alan Wiley was possibly the nicest, warmest referee i worked
with. The players loved his style, never skirked a big decision.
>
> Conversely I also worked with Steve Baines, whose idea of the
game was that it was about him. I had the audacity to indicate a
free kick near me. At the next throw in he gave indication that
it was to be be an offensive throw, even though I believed he
was wrong he was adamant in his body language. As I went with
him, he whistled, gave it the other (correct) way, gave me a
thumbs up and a smile! When i got back to the benches on of the
coaches patted me on thr shoulder and said "he f**king stitched
u up there, we saw it, just do your job lad"
> So maybe I did learn as much from him, as I vowed that would
never happen to an assistant of mine
>
--- End Quote ---
Despicable behaviour. Something similar happened to me quite
early on in my career from probably the most obnoxious referee I
have ever worked with. He just seemed to go out of his way to
humiliate his Linos so as to better reflect himself. He spent
most of the time in the changing room outlining his career plan
to us which ultimately would end up with him being a FIFA
referee. Those were the days when a bad report from a referee
could really stymie a budding career so we just had to listen to
him, though on the way back in the car park my fellow Lino
remarked to me about him "Daft tw*t" to which I could only
agree. The said referee's career? Well he ended up as a Football
League Linesman, nothing more. I am ashamed to say that he
provoked in me one of my worse moments. We met years later at an
Ipswich Town FC match and I said to him " I watch a fair few
international matches but have never seen you referee one of
them. Did you ever get that FIFA badge? " and didn't wait to
listen to his bluster in reply.
There have always been referees who think it is all about them;
Clive Thomas perhaps being the most notable example. And however
well they progressed none of them could hold a candle to Ron
Challis or Joe Worrall.
#Post#: 26420--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: February 6, 2021, 3:47 am
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In addition to the very inspiring Anthony Taylor who has and
continues to do so much for officials from level 9 upward there
have been a number of Referees whom I have encountered from park
to National League who have demonstrated traits I have tried to
emulate to make me a better Referee
Those who colleagues may be aware of include Gary Kellett, Joe
Hull, Steve Brand, David Pugh and Eddie Wolstenholme.
I never saw John Hilditch first hand but he was always a source
of encouragement
#Post#: 26421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Seagull
Date: February 6, 2021, 4:07 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=2144.msg26397#msg26397
date=1612537000]
> I remember Bill Stoneham from my days on the Maidstone &
District Football League before he attained higher levels
(Saturdays in Mote Park!). I "lined" to Graham Crafter on the
Kent League several times and learned a lot from him before he
too progressed on to Southern League middles and FL line. I was
also fortunate to be able to pick the brains of Ron Challis who
was the President of the local RA Branch of which I was a member
and later Branch Secretary. All very nice chaps and always
willing to help.
>
--- End Quote ---
Bill was my idol when I was at school! He was the economics
teacher in the 6th form & all the girls at school, bar me
absolutely fancied him! I was the envy of many a 6th former as
I'd stroll up to him & give him a hug and kiss ;D I still keep
in touch with him today & he's just as lovely although often
tells me I am still a bratt!! You knew my maths teacher!! Funny
man, I was the only kid in school who liked him! I think that
was down to a bond over refereeing. We speak occasionally. I
remember Ron, he allocated Bill & Graham to look out for me as
they knew me from school. I wonder if we ever met at a RA
meeting there? If there was ever a bratty teenage girl at one of
the meetings you went to that would have been me! I was all over
the local papers when I qualified because I was the youngest
female to ever qualify at that time, a record I held for many
years! I'd been qualified almost a year before I was old enough
to referee a game, no mini football back then.
I forgot Craig Pawson - sorry Craig! He was also always there
for bmb jr, still is as a friendly ear for teenage boy woes!
[/quote]
It's a small world, bmb. :) Please give Bill my regards when
you next speak. I don't know if he'll remember me as our paths
crossed just over 30 years ago. I knew Graham in the late
70s/early 80s when he was on Kent League middles and i was on
the Linesman's list as a then Class 2 (whatever that is now!).
Ron Challis and I belonged to the Tunbridge Wells Branch. I was
a member of the Branch's KRA Quiz Team for several years and I
think we played Maidstone once or twice upstairs at a Social
Club in Tonbridge Road by Bower Lane. I also went there a few
times to Disciplinary Committee meetings when appeals were
lodged by players! Happy days. :)
#Post#: 26423--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: February 6, 2021, 5:11 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=RCG link=topic=2144.msg26417#msg26417
date=1612568544]
> Clive Wilkes was another referee who quietly got in with his
job - has a very dry sense of humour
> Colin Webster made you feel part of his team and that he was
there in the "bunker" with you (something I tried to bring to my
games)
> Alan Wiley was possibly the nicest, warmest referee i worked
with. The players loved his style, never skirked a big decision.
>
> Conversely I also worked with Steve Baines, whose idea of the
game was that it was about him. I had the audacity to indicate a
free kick near me. At the next throw in he gave indication that
it was to be be an offensive throw, even though I believed he
was wrong he was adamant in his body language. As I went with
him, he whistled, gave it the other (correct) way, gave me a
thumbs up and a smile! When i got back to the benches on of the
coaches patted me on thr shoulder and said "he f**king stitched
u up there, we saw it, just do your job lad"
> So maybe I did learn as much from him, as I vowed that would
never happen to an assistant of mine
>
--- End Quote ---
Despicable behaviour. Something similar happened to me quite
early on in my career from probably the most obnoxious referee I
have ever worked with. He just seemed to go out of his way to
humiliate his Linos so as to better reflect himself. He spent
most of the time in the changing room outlining his career plan
to us which ultimately would end up with him being a FIFA
referee. Those were the days when a bad report from a referee
could really stymie a budding career so we just had to listen to
him, though on the way back in the car park my fellow Lino
remarked to me about him "Daft tw*t" to which I could only
agree. The said referee's career? Well he ended up as a Football
League Linesman, nothing more. I am ashamed to say that he
provoked in me one of my worse moments. We met years later at an
Ipswich Town FC match and I said to him " I watch a fair few
international matches but have never seen you referee one of
them. Did you ever get that FIFA badge? " and didn't wait to
listen to his bluster in reply.
There have always been referees who think it is all about them;
Clive Thomas perhaps being the most notable example. And however
well they progressed none of them could hold a candle to Ron
Challis or Joe Worrall.
[/quote]
Me too. I recall a linesman on a contributory league who was the
life and soul of the party and always bought the drinks in the
bar after a game, but I often wondered whether his motives were
entirely selfless. And then there was the ref who wrongly
countermanded my flag, not once but twice in the 1st half of a
game and then proceeded to give me a b******ing at half time. I
resigned from the league the same evening. Both made it to the
FL middle but neither survived long there. And I'm not talking
about Rene from Chessington either as I never went out with him.
As a result I've always thought that sh**ters and wasters will
be found out in the end. Pardon the language!
#Post#: 26424--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 6, 2021, 5:21 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2144.msg26419#msg26419
date=1612604805]
> [quote author=RCG link=topic=2144.msg26417#msg26417
date=1612568544]
> Clive Wilkes was another referee who quietly got in with his
job - has a very dry sense of humour
> Colin Webster made you feel part of his team and that he was
there in the "bunker" with you (something I tried to bring to my
games)
> Alan Wiley was possibly the nicest, warmest referee i worked
with. The players loved his style, never skirked a big decision.
>
> Conversely I also worked with Steve Baines, whose idea of the
game was that it was about him. I had the audacity to indicate a
free kick near me. At the next throw in he gave indication that
it was to be be an offensive throw, even though I believed he
was wrong he was adamant in his body language. As I went with
him, he whistled, gave it the other (correct) way, gave me a
thumbs up and a smile! When i got back to the benches on of the
coaches patted me on thr shoulder and said "he f**king stitched
u up there, we saw it, just do your job lad"
> So maybe I did learn as much from him, as I vowed that would
never happen to an assistant of mine
>
--- End Quote ---
Despicable behaviour. Something similar happened to me quite
early on in my career from probably the most obnoxious referee I
have ever worked with. He just seemed to go out of his way to
humiliate his Linos so as to better reflect himself. He spent
most of the time in the changing room outlining his career plan
to us which ultimately would end up with him being a FIFA
referee. Those were the days when a bad report from a referee
could really stymie a budding career so we just had to listen to
him, though on the way back in the car park my fellow Lino
remarked to me about him "Daft tw*t" to which I could only
agree. The said referee's career? Well he ended up as a Football
League Linesman, nothing more. I am ashamed to say that he
provoked in me one of my worse moments. We met years later at an
Ipswich Town FC match and I said to him " I watch a fair few
international matches but have never seen you referee one of
them. Did you ever get that FIFA badge? " and didn't wait to
listen to his bluster in reply.
There have always been referees who think it is all about them;
Clive Thomas perhaps being the most notable example. And however
well they progressed none of them could hold a candle to Ron
Challis or Joe Worrall.
[/quote]
Me too. I recall a linesman on a contributory league who was the
life and soul of the party and always bought the drinks in the
bar after a game, but I often wondered whether his motives were
entirely selfless. And then there was the ref who wrongly
countermanded my flag, not once but twice in the 1st half of a
game and then proceeded to give me a b******ing at half time. I
resigned from the league the same evening. Both made it to the
FL middle but neither survived long there. And I'm not talking
about Rene from Chessington either as I never went out with him.
As a result I've always thought that sh**ters and wasters will
be found out in the end. Pardon the language!
[/quote]
Was one of these gentlemen from a place in Surrey " heavy with
bells and mushroomy, pine-woody, evergreen smells " by any
chance ?
#Post#: 26426--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Leggy
Date: February 6, 2021, 7:16 am
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There do seem to be less "characters" these days.
I am sure this is old man "in my day ......." syndrome, but here
are the likes of Brian Hill, John Key, Mick (the Dustman)
Fletcher, Alfie Buksh, Mick Pierce (the fastest card in the
south), Jimmy Borrett, EJ Parker, Paul Taylor.
I could go on.
#Post#: 26427--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 6, 2021, 8:03 am
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> There do seem to be less "characters" these days.
>
> I am sure this is old man "in my day ......." syndrome, but
here are the likes of Brian Hill, John Key, Mick (the Dustman)
Fletcher, Alfie Buksh, Mick Pierce (the fastest card in the
south), Jimmy Borrett, EJ Parker, Paul Taylor.
>
> I could go on.
>
--- End Quote ---
I quite agree, though I would be a bit worried about any
aspiring referee who took E J Parker as his role model !
Perhaps one of the greatest characters ever to make the National
List was Jimmy Borrett. I have heard him at a Referees' Meeting
hold the entire audience in the palm of his hand with frequent
uproarious guffaws of mirth and laughter. A jolly fine referee
as well. In more recent times among the notable "characters"
have been Joe Ross and Mick Russell. Paul Taylor now works in
Referee Development for L1 and L2 referees bringing his great
experience and wise counsel to bear. A thoroughly pleasant man
also.
#Post#: 26428--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: February 6, 2021, 8:57 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Leggy link=topic=2144.msg26426#msg26426
date=1612617382]
> There do seem to be less "characters" these days.
>
> I am sure this is old man "in my day ......." syndrome, but
here are the likes of Brian Hill, John Key, Mick (the Dustman)
Fletcher, Alfie Buksh, Mick Pierce (the fastest card in the
south), Jimmy Borrett, EJ Parker, Paul Taylor.
>
> I could go on.
>
> I quite agree, though I would be a bit worried about any
aspiring referee who took E J Parker as his role model !
Perhaps one of the greatest characters ever to make the National
List was Jimmy Borrett. I have heard him at a Referees' Meeting
hold the entire audience in the palm of his hand with frequent
uproarious guffaws of mirth and laughter. A jolly fine referee
as well. In more recent times among the notable "characters"
have been Joe Ross and Mick Russell. Paul Taylor now works in
Referee Development for L1 and L2 referees bringing his great
experience and wise counsel to bear. A thoroughly pleasant man
also.
>
--- End Quote ---
Jim Parker... the Preston card shark who gave out more cards
than Santa.
#Post#: 26431--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: February 6, 2021, 9:46 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=2144.msg26423#msg26423
date=1612609875]
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=2144.msg26419#msg26419
date=1612604805]
> [quote author=RCG link=topic=2144.msg26417#msg26417
date=1612568544]
> Clive Wilkes was another referee who quietly got in with his
job - has a very dry sense of humour
> Colin Webster made you feel part of his team and that he was
there in the "bunker" with you (something I tried to bring to my
games)
> Alan Wiley was possibly the nicest, warmest referee i worked
with. The players loved his style, never skirked a big decision.
>
> Conversely I also worked with Steve Baines, whose idea of the
game was that it was about him. I had the audacity to indicate a
free kick near me. At the next throw in he gave indication that
it was to be be an offensive throw, even though I believed he
was wrong he was adamant in his body language. As I went with
him, he whistled, gave it the other (correct) way, gave me a
thumbs up and a smile! When i got back to the benches on of the
coaches patted me on thr shoulder and said "he f**king stitched
u up there, we saw it, just do your job lad"
> So maybe I did learn as much from him, as I vowed that would
never happen to an assistant of mine
>
--- End Quote ---
Despicable behaviour. Something similar happened to me quite
early on in my career from probably the most obnoxious referee I
have ever worked with. He just seemed to go out of his way to
humiliate his Linos so as to better reflect himself. He spent
most of the time in the changing room outlining his career plan
to us which ultimately would end up with him being a FIFA
referee. Those were the days when a bad report from a referee
could really stymie a budding career so we just had to listen to
him, though on the way back in the car park my fellow Lino
remarked to me about him "Daft tw*t" to which I could only
agree. The said referee's career? Well he ended up as a Football
League Linesman, nothing more. I am ashamed to say that he
provoked in me one of my worse moments. We met years later at an
Ipswich Town FC match and I said to him " I watch a fair few
international matches but have never seen you referee one of
them. Did you ever get that FIFA badge? " and didn't wait to
listen to his bluster in reply.
There have always been referees who think it is all about them;
Clive Thomas perhaps being the most notable example. And however
well they progressed none of them could hold a candle to Ron
Challis or Joe Worrall.
[/quote]
Me too. I recall a linesman on a contributory league who was the
life and soul of the party and always bought the drinks in the
bar after a game, but I often wondered whether his motives were
entirely selfless. And then there was the ref who wrongly
countermanded my flag, not once but twice in the 1st half of a
game and then proceeded to give me a b******ing at half time. I
resigned from the league the same evening. Both made it to the
FL middle but neither survived long there. And I'm not talking
about Rene from Chessington either as I never went out with him.
As a result I've always thought that sh**ters and wasters will
be found out in the end. Pardon the language!
[/quote]
Was one of these gentlemen from a place in Surrey " heavy with
bells and mushroomy, pine-woody, evergreen smells " by any
chance ?
[/quote]
Not sure but one shared a given name with a well-known
longstanding FL ref from a Surrey village associated with
apples, whilst the other had a 'biblical' surname and a given
name normally associated with 'a very naughty boy'!
#Post#: 26432--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: JCFC
Date: February 6, 2021, 9:59 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
>
> Was one of these gentlemen from a place in Surrey " heavy with
bells and mushroomy, pine-woody, evergreen smells " by any
chance ?
>
--- End Quote ---
It took me a while to cotton on there, Whistleblower. From AT's
hints, it would appear not.
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