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Role Models
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 5, 2021, 5:17 am
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Zooming with a friend recently we got to discussing how various
role models had influenced our professional careers. It led me
to wondering later about role models in refereeing. When I was
beginning and active in my officiating career my role models
were the late Ron Challis and then Joe Worrall. In both
instances it was because of their style of officiating rather
than any physical resemblance. Both Challis and Worrall are
rather short, slight men whereas I am quite tall and broad
shouldered.
So would any RTR members who are or have been referees care to
say who, if any, were their role models and why.
Also, if you were starting out on a refereeing career now, who
in the SG1 would you look to as a role model? For me it would be
Andre Marriner. I like his understated style, he maintains
excellent control without breaking into breakneck sprints all
the time, he has a very good reading of the game particularly in
foul detection and seems to have a good rapport with the
players. I see that Mr Mourhino is very critical of Marriner's
performance last night while dressing it up in expressing
admiration for him. I didn't see the match so can't comment.
Andre Marriner continues to enjoy a very good career. He has
been an FA Cup Final referee and he made the FIFA List but not
the Elite Panel. I identify with that myself professionally;
doing well but not in the very top echelon.
#Post#: 26390--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: GingerReferee
Date: February 5, 2021, 6:01 am
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I have been a qualified referee for 18 months now, and my role
model, even before i knew i wanted to ref myself, was Michael
Oliver. His fitness and way he handles the players, and just the
whole game in general really inspired me to get into it
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Re: Role Models
DIR By: RCG
Date: February 5, 2021, 7:23 am
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Mine was George Courtney and more latterly Howard Webb, both of
whom i got to meet
#Post#: 26393--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: February 5, 2021, 7:53 am
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In kind of chronological order - Jim Finney, Joe Worrall, John
Martin (bit of bias here!), Lee Probert, Mike Dean and Andre
Marriner. I can't recall seeing them have a poor game (live)
between them.
#Post#: 26394--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 5, 2021, 8:19 am
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When I was starting out in refereeing my role model was Bill
Stoneham. He was my mentor and a teacher at my school. He
refereed at Southern League level. My maths teacher was a lino,
as they were then, on the FL & Bill I would go to many of his
games. Double maths on Monday morning was ace!! I met Joe
Worrall through Graham, the maths teacher, who encouraged me to
do my course as a 13yr old. Keith Hackett sent me a signed photo
and letter of encouragement as did Clive Jones. Dave Allison
though... A 4/5 yr old bmb fell in love with Dave, even was
going to marry him not Mr Spock, that's how big the love was! In
latter years I was lucky enough to become friends with Dave, who
remembered the tiny little girl who wanted to marry him!
Wonderful man who I will always love & respect. Mr Palotai was
my first fav foreign ref and I loved Mr Puhl as a teenager!
My son on the other hand was very lucky in the quality of role
models he had when he started out. His biggest role model was
and still is Andre. Not just with refereeing but with every
aspect of his life. He is most definitely bmb jrs favourite
'Uncle', closely followed by 'Uncle' Mark (Clatts to everyone
else) and then there are the 4 Bácsi's (Hungarian for Uncle),
Viktor, Gábor Erős, György Ring and Mihály Fábián, not
forgetting Néni (Aunty) Katalin. He doesn't like Péter Solymosi
because that would be disloyal to Viktor Bácsi apparently!
Closer to home, Michael Oliver was a great role model to him at
some point, Lucy was jrs first referee coach & he adores her,
her father as well is an ex referee & assessor tried his best
but as he & Michael were not as pretty as Lucy so they lucked
out a bit. Stuart Attwell was a huge role model with refereeing,
athletics and life in general. Bobby Madley always offered him
support. 'Uncle' Linny (James Linington) for some reason ended
up as the person who always told him to eat his carrots, not
sure how that one started & Linny senior was much adored by bmb
jr. 'Uncle' Hoops was the one for love, hugs and laughs, oh and
sneaking him sweets he'd been told he wasn't allowed!! Lee
Swabey was always on hand, Swabey Snr (rest in peace sir) was
amazing, Graham Horwood, awesome man, Dean Treleaven - I miss
seeing him, he was always wonderful as well. Iain Williamson
spent many many hours explaining advantages, which to a kid with
Aspergers are simply not logical! Danny McDermid - bmb jr
idolises that man on and off the pitch. When AFCB were in the FL
before the glory days every single ref who did a game would
speak to jr post match, talk refereeing with him, explain
decisions, give him encouragement and advice. At a higher level
he had the wonderful Dave Allison who coped very well with a
weekly email from jr between the ages of 8 & 11 (jr's age not
Dave's obviously) demanding that Dave change the age for which
you could start refereeing to whatever jr's current age was at
the time - he put jr on a mini ref course at age 11 which saw
the emails finally stop! Chris Wild from UEFA was & is a
wonderful man & David Elleray even stepped in for support.
Shame all of their hard work, support & encouragement was undone
by 2 racist incidents that saw jr turn his back on football
completely.
#Post#: 26396--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Hendo
Date: February 5, 2021, 8:52 am
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Brian Coddington and Paul Prosser. Maybe that’s why I never got
beyond Level 7!
#Post#: 26397--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Seagull
Date: February 5, 2021, 8:56 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> When I was starting out in refereeing my role model was Bill
Stoneham. He was my mentor and a teacher at my school. He
refereed at Southern League level. My maths teacher was a lino,
as they were then, on the FL & Bill I would go to many of his
games. Double maths on Monday morning was ace!! I met Joe
Worrall through Graham, the maths teacher, who encouraged me to
do my course as a 13yr old. Keith Hackett sent me a signed photo
and letter of encouragement as did Clive Jones. Dave Allison
though... A 4/5 yr old bmb fell in love with Dave, even was
going to marry him not Mr Spock, that's how big the love was! In
latter years I was lucky enough to become friends with Dave, who
remembered the tiny little girl who wanted to marry him!
Wonderful man who I will always love & respect. Mr Palotai was
my first fav foreign ref and I loved Mr Puhl as a teenager!
>
> My son on the other hand was very lucky in the quality of role
models he had when he started out. His biggest role model was
and still is Andre. Not just with refereeing but with every
aspect of his life. He is most definitely bmb jrs favourite
'Uncle', closely followed by 'Uncle' Mark (Clatts to everyone
else) and then there are the 4 Bácsi's (Hungarian for Uncle),
Viktor, Gábor Erős, György Ring and Mihály Fábián, not
forgetting Néni (Aunty) Katalin. He doesn't like Péter Solymosi
because that would be disloyal to Viktor Bácsi apparently!
Closer to home, Michael Oliver was a great role model to him at
some point, Lucy was jrs first referee coach & he adores her,
her father as well is an ex referee & assessor tried his best
but as he & Michael were not as pretty as Lucy so they lucked
out a bit. Stuart Attwell was a huge role model with refereeing,
athletics and life in general. Bobby Madley always offered him
support. 'Uncle' Linny (James Linington) for some reason ended
up as the person who always told him to eat his carrots, not
sure how that one started & Linny senior was much adored by bmb
jr. 'Uncle' Hoops was the one for love, hugs and laughs, oh and
sneaking him sweets he'd been told he wasn't allowed!! Lee
Swabey was always on hand, Swabey Snr (rest in peace sir) was
amazing, Graham Horwood, awesome man, Dean Treleaven - I miss
seeing him, he was always wonderful as well. Iain Williamson
spent many many hours explaining advantages, which to a kid with
Aspergers are simply not logical! Danny McDermid - bmb jr
idolises that man on and off the pitch. When AFCB were in the FL
before the glory days every single ref who did a game would
speak to jr post match, talk refereeing with him, explain
decisions, give him encouragement and advice. At a higher level
he had the wonderful Dave Allison who coped very well with a
weekly email from jr between the ages of 8 & 11 (jr's age not
Dave's obviously) demanding that Dave change the age for which
you could start refereeing to whatever jr's current age was at
the time - he put jr on a mini ref course at age 11 which saw
the emails finally stop! Chris Wild from UEFA was & is a
wonderful man & David Elleray even stepped in for support.
Shame all of their hard work, support & encouragement was undone
by 2 racist incidents that saw jr turn his back on football
completely.
>
--- End Quote ---
I remember Bill Stoneham from my days on the Maidstone &
District Football League before he attained higher levels
(Saturdays in Mote Park!). I "lined" to Graham Crafter on the
Kent League several times and learned a lot from him before he
too progressed on to Southern League middles and FL line. I was
also fortunate to be able to pick the brains of Ron Challis who
was the President of the local RA Branch of which I was a member
and later Branch Secretary. All very nice chaps and always
willing to help.
#Post#: 26398--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Seagull
Date: February 5, 2021, 9:03 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> Zooming with a friend recently we got to discussing how
various role models had influenced our professional careers. It
led me to wondering later about role models in refereeing. When
I was beginning and active in my officiating career my role
models were the late Ron Challis and then Joe Worrall. In both
instances it was because of their style of officiating rather
than any physical resemblance. Both Challis and Worrall are
rather short, slight men whereas I am quite tall and broad
shouldered.
>
> So would any RTR members who are or have been referees care to
say who, if any, were their role models and why.
>
> Also, if you were starting out on a refereeing career now, who
in the SG1 would you look to as a role model? For me it would be
Andre Marriner. I like his understated style, he maintains
excellent control without breaking into breakneck sprints all
the time, he has a very good reading of the game particularly in
foul detection and seems to have a good rapport with the
players. I see that Mr Mourhino is very critical of Marriner's
performance last night while dressing it up in expressing
admiration for him. I didn't see the match so can't comment.
Andre Marriner continues to enjoy a very good career. He has
been an FA Cup Final referee and he made the FIFA List but not
the Elite Panel. I identify with that myself professionally;
doing well but not in the very top echelon.
>
--- End Quote ---
I was fortunate to be able to pick the brains of Ron Challis who
was the President of the local RA Branch of which I was a member
and later Branch Secretary. He was one of my mentors and was
always willing to help with matters such as interpretation of
the laws, positioning etc. I am a similar height and build to
Ron and I tried to copy the clarity in his signals, for example.
I agree with your comments about Andre Marriner too.
#Post#: 26399--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 5, 2021, 9:43 am
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--- Quote from: Hendo link ---
>
> Brian Coddington and Paul Prosser. Maybe that’s why I never
got beyond Level 7!
>
--- End Quote ---
Not A C F Turvey? I am surprised at you Hendo
#Post#: 26400--------------------------------------------------
Re: Role Models
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 5, 2021, 9:56 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> When I was starting out in refereeing my role model was Bill
Stoneham. He was my mentor and a teacher at my school. He
refereed at Southern League level. My maths teacher was a lino,
as they were then, on the FL & Bill I would go to many of his
games. Double maths on Monday morning was ace!! I met Joe
Worrall through Graham, the maths teacher, who encouraged me to
do my course as a 13yr old. Keith Hackett sent me a signed photo
and letter of encouragement as did Clive Jones. Dave Allison
though... A 4/5 yr old bmb fell in love with Dave, even was
going to marry him not Mr Spock, that's how big the love was! In
latter years I was lucky enough to become friends with Dave, who
remembered the tiny little girl who wanted to marry him!
Wonderful man who I will always love & respect. Mr Palotai was
my first fav foreign ref and I loved Mr Puhl as a teenager!
>
> My son on the other hand was very lucky in the quality of role
models he had when he started out. His biggest role model was
and still is Andre. Not just with refereeing but with every
aspect of his life. He is most definitely bmb jrs favourite
'Uncle', closely followed by 'Uncle' Mark (Clatts to everyone
else) and then there are the 4 Bácsi's (Hungarian for Uncle),
Viktor, Gábor Erős, György Ring and Mihály Fábián, not
forgetting Néni (Aunty) Katalin. He doesn't like Péter Solymosi
because that would be disloyal to Viktor Bácsi apparently!
Closer to home, Michael Oliver was a great role model to him at
some point, Lucy was jrs first referee coach & he adores her,
her father as well is an ex referee & assessor tried his best
but as he & Michael were not as pretty as Lucy so they lucked
out a bit. Stuart Attwell was a huge role model with refereeing,
athletics and life in general. Bobby Madley always offered him
support. 'Uncle' Linny (James Linington) for some reason ended
up as the person who always told him to eat his carrots, not
sure how that one started & Linny senior was much adored by bmb
jr. 'Uncle' Hoops was the one for love, hugs and laughs, oh and
sneaking him sweets he'd been told he wasn't allowed!! Lee
Swabey was always on hand, Swabey Snr (rest in peace sir) was
amazing, Graham Horwood, awesome man, Dean Treleaven - I miss
seeing him, he was always wonderful as well. Iain Williamson
spent many many hours explaining advantages, which to a kid with
Aspergers are simply not logical! Danny McDermid - bmb jr
idolises that man on and off the pitch. When AFCB were in the FL
before the glory days every single ref who did a game would
speak to jr post match, talk refereeing with him, explain
decisions, give him encouragement and advice. At a higher level
he had the wonderful Dave Allison who coped very well with a
weekly email from jr between the ages of 8 & 11 (jr's age not
Dave's obviously) demanding that Dave change the age for which
you could start refereeing to whatever jr's current age was at
the time - he put jr on a mini ref course at age 11 which saw
the emails finally stop! Chris Wild from UEFA was & is a
wonderful man & David Elleray even stepped in for support.
Shame all of their hard work, support & encouragement was undone
by 2 racist incidents that saw jr turn his back on football
completely.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's very good to read you write so well of Dave Allison bmb.
Certainly one of the most decent of men ever to blow a whistle.
When actively officiating, I don't think he quite achieved the
pre-eminence that his performances merited. Quite why not I
don't know but toadying to important people would be foreign to
his nature. In his role managing referees he was peerless. Never
one to make excuses where none were justified but always
supportive and helping referees to improve. The amount of
diatribe he received from Managers who believed one of his
referees had cost them points in a match was appalling and yet
he had just the right empathetic nature to take the heat out of
any situation. He could have had an equally successful career as
a UN diplomat ! A friend of mine was educated with him and
remembers the young Allison as a wise head on young shoulders,
someone you could always turn to if you got yourself in serious
bother and would do his best to help you out while giving some
pretty uncompromising advice at the same time. The word 'great'
is bandied about a lot nowadays but I believe Dave Allison is a
great man and the football authorities should have ensured that
he received an Honour in the Honours List.
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