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#Post#: 26037--------------------------------------------------
F.C. Green and G. Todd
DIR By: jad
Date: January 27, 2021, 9:02 am
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Since F.C. Green and G. Todd have both featured in recent
postings in this section of the forum, I thought it might be
worth finding out what information concerning these gentlemen is
held on the footballfacts.ru web-site.
But first some notes about the site. At present the site is
being updated, and this information is from the old version:
old.footbalfacts.ru. The coverage of match officials in English
league football is far from complete and often erratic: there is
hardly any coverage from before 1949, but then for the period
from 1949 to about the end of the 1960s there is substantial
coverage of the first division and some information about F.A.
Cup games; thereafter information again becomes sparse. For the
1950s and 1960s the site often reproduces the team pages of the
match programme, which is sometimes helpful for unscrambling
dodgy transliterations.
For Major Green there is information concerning eight matches,
one in 1948-9 and the rest from 1949-50.
21.8.48 Huddersfield Town vs Arsenal R: F.C. Green; L: G. Clark
& H.R. Smith
20.8.49 Arsenal vs Burnley R: F.C. Green; L: P.C. Annette
(Basingstoke) & W.O.T. Pounder (Aldershot)
8.10.49 Chelsea vs Manchester C. R: Maj. F.C. Green; L: J.A.E.
Stone (Woking) & A.G.F. Cook (Chichester)
12.11.49 Manchester C. vs Arsenal R: F.C. Green; L: A. Holland
(Barnsley) & H. Davis (Bradford)
26.12.49 Chelsea vs Liverpool R: Maj. F.C. Green; L: P.C.
Annette & F.C. Williams (Oxford)
27.12.49 Liverpool vs Chelsea R: F.C. Green; L: R.P. Hartley
(Burnley) & W.C. Yates
25.2.50 Manchester C. vs Chelsea R: F.C. Green; L: A. Chisem
[sic] & J.W. Haigh
4.3.50 Burnley vs Fulham R: F.C. Green; L: W. Heskine & R.S.
Frew
For all except the the game at Arsenal spellings of names and
use of the military rank are taken from the match programmes. I
was particularly struck by the appointments for the 26 and 27
December 1949.
Information concerning Mr Todd to follow in due course.
Edited to show that the fixture of 27 December 1949 was played
at Liverpool and was not simply a repeat of the previous day's
game at Stamford Bridge. Sorry about that.
#Post#: 26057--------------------------------------------------
Re: F.C. Green and G. Todd
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: January 28, 2021, 1:30 am
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Thank you for extracting those, I have updated my Green article
accordingly
I note that appointments for reverse fixtures were still
continuing
Chelsea v Manchester City, which he also did the previous
season, and Chelsea v Liverpool
It is possible that Burnley v Fulham was his last match as it
came the day after his G.B.H. trial
I have filled in the missing home towns of the lino's below
WOT Pounder is Warrant Officer (of the Veterinary Corps) T.
Pounder
Chisem is the correct spelling for Albert Chisem
21.8.48 Huddersfield Town vs Arsenal R: F.C. Green; L: G. Clark
(Sale) & H.R. Smith (Sheffield)
20.8.49 Arsenal vs Burnley R: F.C. Green; L: P.C. Annette
(Basingstoke) & W/O T. Pounder (Aldershot)
8.10.49 Chelsea vs Manchester C. R: Maj. F.C. Green; L: J.A.E.
Stone (Woking) & A.G.F. Cook (Chichester)
12.11.49 Manchester C. vs Arsenal R: F.C. Green; L: A. Holland
(Barnsley) & H. Davis (Bradford)
26.12.49 Chelsea vs Liverpool R: Maj. F.C. Green; L: P.C.
Annette (Basingstoke) & F.C. Williams (Oxford)
27.12.49 Liverpool vs Chelsea R: F.C. Green; L: R.P. Hartley
(Burnley) & W.C. Yates (Chorley)
25.2.50 Manchester C. vs Chelsea R: F.C. Green; L: A. Chisem
(Leeds) & J.W. Haigh (Huddersfield)
4.3.50 Burnley vs Fulham R: F.C. Green; L: W. Heskine
(Birkenhead) & R.S. Frew (Stockport)
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Re: F.C. Green and G. Todd
DIR By: jad
Date: January 28, 2021, 5:11 am
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Thanks for the additional information and corrections.
There are 19 (the site for some reason says 20) entries for
George Todd, covering three seasons from 1949 to 1952. In five
matches he was the referee, while in the others he was a
linesman. In those days referees on the Football League
Supplementary List were also given appointments as linesmen.
20.8.49 Newcastle Utd vs Portsmouth R: H.C. Williams (Fulham);
L. G. Todd & W. Heselton (West Hartlepool)
1.10.49 Newcastle Utd vs Stoke C. R: A.C. Denham
(Ashton-on-Ribble); L: G. Todd & E.E. Hall (Ferryhill)
5.11.49 Sunderland vs Charlton Ath. R: H. Peacock [sic]
(Scunthorpe); L: G. Todd & J. Gardner (Middlesbrough). For
Peacock read Beacock
26.12.49 Huddersfield T. vs Manchester C. R: R.J. Leafe
(Nottingham); L: G. Todd & C.P. Walker (Sheffield)
4.3.50 Liverpool vs Blackpool (F.A. Cup, 6th round) R: B.M.
Griffiths (Newport); L: G. Todd & A.B. Bailey (Stockport)
*11.3.50 Manchester C. vs Bolton W. R: G. Todd; L: T. Hitchen
(Winsford) & H. Dalton
8.4.50 Huddersfield T. vs Derby Co. R: H. Beacock; L: G. Todd &
J.A. Cattlin (Rochdale)
26.8.50 Newcastle Utd vs Everton R: H.R.A. Mortimer
(Huddersfield); L: G. Todd & W.Heselton
7.10.50 Sunderland vs Huddersfield T. R: F.H. Gerrard (Preston);
L: G. Todd & E.E. Hall
18.11.50 Blackpool vs Huddersfield T. R: G. Todd; L: J.H.
Andrews (Manchester) & L.J. Hamer (Horwich)
*9.12.50 Huddersfield T. vs Manchester U. R: S.E. Law (West
Bromwich); L: G. Todd & H.R. Smith
26.3.51 Sunderland vs Newcastle Utd R: B.J. Flanagan
(Sheffield); L: G. Todd & E.E. Hall
§7.4.51 Newcastle Utd vs Tottenham H. R: W.H.E. Evans
(Liverpool); L: G. Todd & A. Brown (Middlesbrough)
§7.4.51 Huddersfield T. vs Blackpool R: G. Todd; L: F.I. White &
G.F. Peverell [or Peverelli?] (Doncaster)
§*5.5.51 Sunderland vs Wolverhampton W. R: E. Plinston
(Warrington); L: G. Todd & G. Todd (!)
*29.8.51 Newcastle Utd vs Bolton W. R.: H. Beacock; L: G. Todd &
H. Hawthorne (Willington)
*20.10.51 Bolton W. vs Huddersfield T. R: G. Todd; L: G.A.
Pickering & T.B. Edwards (New Ferry)
16.2.52 Sunderland vs Bolton W. R: A.W. Luty (Leeds); L: G. Todd
& R. Fenwick (Newcastle)
8.3.52 Huddersfield T. vs Bolton W. R: G. Todd; L: G.A. Beecroft
(Hull) & R. Lynch
Matches for which the programme pages are not reproduced are
indicated by an asterisk.
§ It would seem from this that Mr Todd was blessed with the gift
of bilocation. On 5 May 1951 the site suggests that he was
expected to run both lines simultaneously. Unfortunately, since
in this case the match programme is not reproduced, the correct
identity of the second linesman cannot be established. The case
of 7 April 1951, when Mr Todd seems to have been expected to
officiate in two matches in two separate locations, is more
complicated. Both match programmes are reproduced, both give
the date as 7April and both indicate Mr Todd in the respective
functions of linesman and referee. Discarding the attractive,
but implausible theory of bilocation, we are left with several
possible explanations, and perhaps someone with access to other
sources can establish what really did happen on that date.
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Re: F.C. Green and G. Todd
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: January 28, 2021, 8:57 am
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Missing Lino locations
Dalton (Bradford)
Heselton (Hartlepool)
Smith (Sheffield)
White (Bolton)
Peverelli is with the "i" - in his first season
Lynch (Blackburn)
Perhaps the site credits him with 20 because it has him down for
both lines on 5th May 51?
Possibly the other Todd that day was actually Allan Calderwood
McKinstry Todd who was elevated to line status in 1949-50
He, like George, was from the Darlington area, coming from
Haughton Le Skerne, two miles north-east of Darlington
I do not think they were related with George born in Darlington
and Allan probably from Scotland
It might also be him (Allan) on the line for 7th April 1951,
leaving George free to referee at Huddersfield that day
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Re: F.C. Green and G. Todd
DIR By: jad
Date: January 29, 2021, 5:04 am
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Thanks again for the additional information. Your suggestion
that there were two Mr Todds makes perfect sense to me.
#Post#: 26370--------------------------------------------------
Re: F.C. Green and G. Todd
DIR By: olddeagle
Date: February 4, 2021, 12:17 pm
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I have learned from my researches into the original Bedford Town
to be wary of information in programmes, which inevitably tends
to be recycled in press reports. I've founds instances of
referees apparently travelling very long distances (at a time
before motorways and when many didn't have cars) when I suspect
whoever was passing the information to the printer simply picked
up the wrong line on the appointments list and the name of
whoever was doing the next, or preceding match on the fixture
list. And the following total mash up occurred in Bedford's
home match v Weymouth in November 1958-the actual officials were
C A Sharp of Welwyn Garden City in the middle, and on the line
were D W Pullin (Oxford) and A E Dimond (Harlow-later of course
a well known FL referee), but this was printed as referee A E
Dimond (Welwyn), Linesmen D W Pullin (Harlow) and C A Sharp
(Oxford). It makes you wonder about how many more of these
mistakes are never detected.
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