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#Post#: 23942--------------------------------------------------
D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: December 7, 2020, 3:38 pm
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Here we go again.... VAR rules the roost!!
I’m not convinced that foul was inside the box for the foul by
March but Big Brother overlooking says otherwise!
Clear and obvious? Dear oh dear.
#Post#: 23943--------------------------------------------------
Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: December 7, 2020, 3:40 pm
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> Here we go again.... VAR rules the roost!!
>
> I’m not convinced that foul was inside the box for the foul by
March but big brother overlooking says otherwise!
>
> Clear and obvious? Dear oh dear.
>
--- End Quote ---
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think clear and obvious
applies in this scenario. IMO it is a penalty, I don't think its
clearly and obviously inside but my understanding was for
inside/outside clear and obvious criteria do not apply?
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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
DIR By: REDSTRIPE
Date: December 7, 2020, 3:44 pm
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Another VAR howler.........I despair
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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
DIR By: guest379
Date: December 7, 2020, 3:48 pm
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Great call by Coote giving the free-kick, then what does Peter
Bankes on VAR do?! Spends over 2 minutes, yes really that long,
looking at over 15 replays only to make ultimately the wrong
call!!! The foul did not continue into the box and thus cannot
be a penalty for that. The actual contact was outside, and so
where is the clear and obvious mistake?
An absolute disgrace of a decision. Nobody would have argued
with the free-kick, nobody. Instead Bankes has dug himself a
big hole, and not for the first time this season either. How
can he view that so many times and think it was a clear error by
Coote?? I just give up....
#Post#: 23951--------------------------------------------------
Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
DIR By: Carter
Date: December 7, 2020, 3:58 pm
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Clear & Obvious doesnt apply to a factual decision.
Now whether VAR could determine 100% it was inside is another
matter, unless he had more views than we got on TV.
On what I have seen it shouldnt be given
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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: December 7, 2020, 4:03 pm
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--- Quote from: DublinRef link ---
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> [quote author=TheThingFromLewes
link=topic=1986.msg23942#msg23942 date=1607377123]
> Here we go again.... VAR rules the roost!!
>
> I’m not convinced that foul was inside the box for the foul by
March but big brother overlooking says otherwise!
>
> Clear and obvious? Dear oh dear.
>
--- End Quote ---
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think clear and obvious
applies in this scenario. IMO it is a penalty, I don't think its
clearly and obviously inside but my understanding was for
inside/outside clear and obvious criteria do not apply?
[/quote]
I suspect you are right DublinRef. Inside or outside the box
would be regarded as factual, like offside, not a subjective
decision where clear and obvious would apply.
Perhaps VAR's view was that even if the initial contact was
outside, the foul continued inside. It looked as if that might
be the case.
#Post#: 23954--------------------------------------------------
Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
DIR By: rustyref
Date: December 7, 2020, 4:07 pm
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Clear and obvious doesn't apply to whether it is inside or
outside.
The problem here is what offence was it given for. I think
Coote gives it for the initial contact outside of the area, and
in that case a free kick would have been correct. But VAR
appear to have given it for the subsequent clash of legs that
happened inside the area, which means VAR wasn't looking at the
decision the referee made. On that basis there is an argument
to say the referee should have gone to look at the screen,
having been told that the secondary contact but not the primary
contact was inside the area.
#Post#: 23955--------------------------------------------------
Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
DIR By: Carter
Date: December 7, 2020, 4:09 pm
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--- Quote from: Ref Fan link ---
>
> [quote author=DublinRef link=topic=1986.msg23943#msg23943
date=1607377238]
> [quote author=TheThingFromLewes
link=topic=1986.msg23942#msg23942 date=1607377123]
> Here we go again.... VAR rules the roost!!
>
> I’m not convinced that foul was inside the box for the foul by
March but big brother overlooking says otherwise!
>
> Clear and obvious? Dear oh dear.
>
--- End Quote ---
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think clear and obvious
applies in this scenario. IMO it is a penalty, I don't think its
clearly and obviously inside but my understanding was for
inside/outside clear and obvious criteria do not apply?
[/quote]
I suspect you are right DublinRef. Inside or outside the box
would be regarded as factual, like offside, not a subjective
decision where clear and obvious would apply.
Perhaps VAR's view was that even if the initial contact was
outside, the foul continued inside. It looked as if that might
be the case.
[/quote]
But if that was the case then Coote should have been asked to
look again as it no longer was a factual decision.
Never in a million years was it a foul in the box
Another incompetent display by VAR in my view.
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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: December 7, 2020, 4:09 pm
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--- Quote from: They Are Getting Worse link ---
>
> Great call by Coote giving the free-kick, then what does Peter
Bankes on VAR do?! Spends over 2 minutes, yes really that long,
looking at over 15 replays only to make ultimately the wrong
call!!! The foul did not continue into the box and thus cannot
be a penalty for that. The actual contact was outside, and so
where is the clear and obvious mistake?
>
> An absolute disgrace of a decision. Nobody would have argued
with the free-kick, nobody. Instead Bankes has dug himself a
big hole, and not for the first time this season either. How
can he view that so many times and think it was a clear error by
Coote?? I just give up....
>
--- End Quote ---
I wonder if we will hear from PGMOL on this....
Pigs might fly.
This is exactly why VAR is being castrated at the moment not
helped with the total incompetence of the VAR officials. Bankes
has just totally stitched up Coote here.
#Post#: 23958--------------------------------------------------
Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
DIR By: LateTackle
Date: December 7, 2020, 4:11 pm
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--- Quote from: They Are Getting Worse link ---
>
> Great call by Coote giving the free-kick, then what does Peter
Bankes on VAR do?! Spends over 2 minutes, yes really that long,
looking at over 15 replays only to make ultimately the wrong
call!!! The foul did not continue into the box and thus cannot
be a penalty for that. The actual contact was outside, and so
where is the clear and obvious mistake?
>
> An absolute disgrace of a decision. Nobody would have argued
with the free-kick, nobody. Instead Bankes has dug himself a
big hole, and not for the first time this season either. How
can he view that so many times and think it was a clear error by
Coote?? I just give up....
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm with you completely here. The free kick looked right, it
didn't look to be inside. There was certainly no evidence that
a penalty was the correct decision. I can see why VAR would
want to have a look, but even after seeing every angle there was
no reason for Bankes to overturn the decision. Perhaps Coote
should have had a look at the monitor to see if he felt he was
right or wrong.
This just smacks of yet another example of the VAR operators
interfering and making things worse. The more they tinker at
the edges, the worse it gets. It's not VAR, it's those trying
to use it. The game's credibility takes yet another battering.
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