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#Post#: 23967--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questionable caution?
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: December 7, 2020, 4:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
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> [quote author=Microscopist link=topic=1980.msg23952#msg23952
date=1607378348]
> I wonder if we will ever see a yellow for the goalkeeping
equivalent - receiving a back pass with no opponents in sight
and making an opponent come all the way to him and then pick the
ball up just as they get close?
>
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That would be a free kick against the keeper anyway and would be
most unlikely to happen I think.
[/quote]
Ah yes, misphrased! I was thinking (or not as the case may be)
of an overhit pass from an opponent that reaches the goalkeeper
who then ......
#Post#: 23987--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questionable caution?
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: December 8, 2020, 2:53 am
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--- Quote from: LateTackle link ---
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> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=1980.msg23910#msg23910
date=1607358026]
> Taking the p*ss maybe but anything more, I don't think so! ???
>
> Similarities perhaps with a player deliberately standing in an
offside position to waste time?
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I can recall, in the local league where I started, there was a
referee who would caution a player for being caught offside
several times by an offside trap. His reasoning was
'persistently infringing the laws of the game.' No matter what
anyone else said, he was convinced he was right in the letter of
the law.
[/quote]
Yes, I've heard of that one as well. Our local RA always
emphasised that players could deliberately stand in an offside
position over and over again and not be cautioned for doing so
(in the days when offsides were much more frequently given).
Whether the ref would add time on for time wasting was another
matter!
#Post#: 23996--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questionable caution?
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: December 8, 2020, 4:45 am
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> I've always wanted a player to get down on their knees and
head it in the goal in similar circumstances!
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Let me tell you a story. I am a Brentford supporter but have
lived in Peterborough for over 30 years. My children were born
in Peterborough and have an affinity for Peterborough United.
When they were six and seven respectively I decided it was a
good time to take them to a game. It happened to be
Peterborough v Brentford. We sat in the Peterborough section as
I wanted to ensure that they had a good view since I am more
than capable of containing my excitement when my team scores.
After less than half a minute Peterborough scored. My rather
innocent young children immediately gave me some good-natured
abuse which was noticed by others around us. I became the butt
of much banter through the rest of the match in which Brentford
were soundly thrashed. In the closing moments, with
Peterborough winning 4-1, Andy Clarke had the simple task of
scoring a goal like the one featured in this thread. He did
decide to stop the ball on the line, get down on his knees and
head it in. Everyone around me enjoyed this immensely. Me?
Less so! Given the anger emanating from the other end of ground
I don't think I would recommend other players following suit.
Incidentally five years later I took my son to another
Peterborough v Brentford game. This time the Brentford
goalkeeper was sent off in the first minute and Peterborough won
7-0. Cue more abuse. Fortunately he took up refereeing the
next year so we have not been able to go to another match
between the two since.
#Post#: 24147--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questionable caution?
DIR By: LateTackle
Date: December 10, 2020, 9:18 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
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> I've always wanted a player to get down on their knees and
head it in the goal in similar circumstances!
>
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Then I refer you to the match between Coventry City and
Liverpool on 10th December 1983 at Highfield Road. Liverpool
were top of the league and expected an easy victory against
Bobby Gould's rapidly assembled. bargain basement team. It
didn't quite work out like that.
In the first minute Coventry had a free kick near the halfway
line which was pumped into the box. From a Terry Gibson shot,
Bruce Grobbelaar parried and there was a scramble between a
couple of defenders and Nicky Platnauer, who followed up on
hands and knees to head the ball over the line from literally on
the ground. Liverpool proceeded to fall apart and a Gibson hat
trick saw it end 4-0.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVk7p_pEC4
#Post#: 24149--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questionable caution?
DIR By: REDSTRIPE
Date: December 10, 2020, 9:37 am
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--- Quote from: LateTackle link ---
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> [quote author=bruntyboy link=topic=1980.msg23889#msg23889
date=1607351397]
> I've always wanted a player to get down on their knees and
head it in the goal in similar circumstances!
>
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Then I refer you to the match between Coventry City and
Liverpool on 10th December 1983 at Highfield Road. Liverpool
were top of the league and expected an easy victory against
Bobby Gould's rapidly assembled. bargain basement team. It
didn't quite work out like that.
In the first minute Coventry had a free kick near the halfway
line which was pumped into the box. From a Terry Gibson shot,
Bruce Grobbelaar parried and there was a scramble between a
couple of defenders and Nicky Platnauer, who followed up on
hands and knees to head the ball over the line from literally on
the ground. Liverpool proceeded to fall apart and a Gibson hat
trick saw it end 4-0.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVk7p_pEC4
[/quote] Great scenes there!
Platnaur ex Bristol Rovers I think
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Re: Questionable caution?
DIR By: LateTackle
Date: December 10, 2020, 12:20 pm
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> Great scenes there!
> Platnaur ex Bristol Rovers I think
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Yes, you are right. I was there! Bobby Gould had to build a
complete new side after a player exodus after the sacking of
Dave Sexton. He picked up many bargain basement players,
including Nicky Platnauer and Graham Withey from his old club,
Bristol Rovers. Some players succeeded, some didn't, but the
core of the 1987 FA Cup winning team were signed by Gould.
Platnauer was of limited ability but always gave everything and
was voted Player of the Year.
#Post#: 24152--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questionable caution?
DIR By: REDSTRIPE
Date: December 10, 2020, 2:06 pm
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--- Quote from: LateTackle link ---
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> [quote] Great scenes there!
> Platnaur ex Bristol Rovers I think
>
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Yes, you are right. I was there! Bobby Gould had to build a
complete new side after a player exodus after the sacking of
Dave Sexton. He picked up many bargain basement players,
including Nicky Platnauer and Graham Withey from his old club,
Bristol Rovers. Some players succeeded, some didn't, but the
core of the 1987 FA Cup winning team were signed by Gould.
Platnauer was of limited ability but always gave everything and
was voted Player of the Year.
[/quote] Now you are giving me memories....I used to watch
Withey play for Bath City!
#Post#: 24220--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questionable caution?
DIR By: RefObserver
Date: December 13, 2020, 3:41 am
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In isolation I do not agree with the caution, but if the referee
has considered it Unsporting Behaviour (Not respecting the game)
it is hard to argue.
There is also the consideration that the scorer had been spoken
to previously and this was for persistent infringements.
I'm also in the camp that believes the defender was more worthy
of a caution for his reaction.
#Post#: 24343--------------------------------------------------
Re: Questionable caution?
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: December 15, 2020, 11:30 am
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--- Quote from: RefObserver link ---
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> In isolation I do not agree with the caution, but if the
referee has considered it Unsporting Behaviour (Not respecting
the game) it is hard to argue.
>
> There is also the consideration that the scorer had been
spoken to previously and this was for persistent infringements.
>
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I disagree but accept that either could be argued. The problem
in either case is that the offence occurred before the goal was
scored and the ball became dead in which case the goal would
(should) have been disallowed and the game restarted with an
indirect free kick to the defending team.
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