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Re: D Coote (VAR) - Liverpool v Leicester- NOT!
DIR By: Claretman
Date: November 21, 2020, 4:36 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> [quote author=Claretman link=topic=1932.msg23218#msg23218
date=1605997713]
> On the evidence of this evening mr coote cant even review his
on field decision correctly at the monitor,
> But then neither could mr oliver a few hours earlier at villa
park, nor good enough from fifa officials.
> Var is becoming a total farce. It would appear that certain
officials and their bosses May be culpable.
>
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The so called “bosses” and football administrators will never
admit responsibility for mistakes!
[/quote]
Agreed as a general point them and politicians alike!
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Re: D Coote (VAR) - Liverpool v Leicester- NOT!
DIR By: rustyref
Date: November 21, 2020, 4:49 pm
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I can't recall any examples this season of referees giving
penalties real time only to then see it chalked off by VAR. We
then have two in the space of 4 hours, and that to me has the
word "directive" screaming out loud. That's two baffling
decisions today where VAR has got involved in changing awarded
penalties where clear and obvious wasn't even vaguely in play.
Someone from PGMOL needs to come out and explain what has
happened, but to be honest I'm at the point now that heads need
to roll and by that I don't mean the referees and VARs.
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Re: D Coote (VAR) - Liverpool v Leicester- NOT!
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: November 21, 2020, 5:03 pm
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The monster was introduced and is very much part of the modern
game at the top level ---learn to live with it or watch some
other sport because you will constantly be upset by one VAR
decision or another -----just look at this board every week! The
game does not mater any more --it is technology which rules.
I know that I will get complaints again because I am not in
favour of VAR, however, so be it. The whole thing is not goo for
the game and is totally unfair to those officiating who must
wonder what the next Law change will be and how should it be
interpreted.
Football at the top level is becoming a fiasco.
THere was a smashing game today between Bournemouth and Reading
in the Championship with plenty of incident, plenty of goals,
plenty of talking points but no VAR to encumber the enjoyment of
the game. Football as I like it!
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Re: D Coote (VAR) - Liverpool v Leicester- NOT!
DIR By: ajb95
Date: November 21, 2020, 5:44 pm
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Personally I don’t think the Villa one, or either in the United
v WBA games were penalties. But that is what the professional
game is turning into
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Re: D Coote (VAR) - Liverpool v Leicester- NOT!
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: November 21, 2020, 5:47 pm
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Personally I'm fine with the no penalty in Aston Villa V
Brighton game. I think very theatrical from attacker and any
contact not significant. I don't think VAR would always have
intervened but I think 'clear and obvious' bar in England has
generally been set too high so am happy with intervention.
I've not seen West Brom penalty in Man Utd game yet - Man Utd
fans less bothered about retakes for keeper being off the line
than they were after Crystal Palace game now two have gone in
their favour!
a family member, who only follows football casually and I've
never heard comment on refereeing before, came in as we were
watching the second half and said 'Oh dear - not David Coote!'
He's obviously getting a bad reputation.
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Re: D Coote (VAR) - Liverpool v Leicester- NOT!
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: November 22, 2020, 5:13 am
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I would also add, in relation to the Villa one in particular,
that I think the referee's reasoning is probably quite
important. If they're telling the VAR 'the defender was nowhere
near the ball' then that's clearly incorrect so I would say
increases the likelihood of a VAR review being appropriate.
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Re: D Coote (VAR) - Liverpool v Leicester- NOT!
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: November 22, 2020, 6:22 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
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> I would also add, in relation to the Villa one in particular,
that I think the referee's reasoning is probably quite
important. If they're telling the VAR 'the defender was nowhere
near the ball' then that's clearly incorrect so I would say
increases the likelihood of a VAR review being appropriate.
--- End Quote ---
I thought the Villa 'penalty' was one of those that wouldn't be
definitely wrong either way. The BT commentators both thought
it was a penalty, were surprised when VAR intervened and
expected Oliver to stick with his original decision. Presumably
they heard VAR's input but not the referee's. Actually, I was
quite surprised how quickly Oliver seemed to make up his mind
looking at the monitor. He presumably considered contact with
the ball was enough, and the contact with the player not strong
enough, to reverse his decision.
However, I tend to agree with rustyref's point about a
'directive'. After the controversy a few weeks ago when Graham
Scott kept to his goal decision despite a 'foul' in the
build-up, it occurred to me after yesterday's incidents that
referees may well have been advised to 'think extremely
carefully' before contemplating sticking with their original
decision. The logic presumably is that it's easier to explain a
referee getting it wrong with his 1 view in real time with 1
angle than it is to justify a referee effectively ignoring the
view of VAR who has seen it at full speed, slo-mo, and from
various angles, thus implying VAR has got it wrong. After all,
if VAR is advising the referee to look at the monitor, is he
really saying "I'm not too sure about this - have a look, what
do you think"? He's implying he's reached a different
conclusion and the referee has got it wrong; at least that's my
understanding.
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Re: D Coote (VAR) - Liverpool v Leicester- NOT!
DIR By: Leggy
Date: November 22, 2020, 1:10 pm
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We are in danger of going down a rabbit hole that could be as
bad as has happened with handball.
Two penalty kicks were overturned yesterday because VAR
identified that the "offender" got a touch on the ball before
making contact with his opponent. Whilst the Laws state that
making contact with an opponent before making contact with the
ball is a foul challenge - they do not state the the opposite is
true. Just because a player makes contact with the ball first,
that does not nullify any possibility of a foul challenge.
Yesterday's decisions give fresh impetus to every player who has
protested using some variation of the words "I got the ball"
(add in the odd expletive plus the ubiquitous hands making a
ball shape gesture).
A bank robber making off with the money has still committed a
crime; just as a footballer may make contact with the ball can
still be guilty of a foul.
VAR may do for that what it has already done for handball.
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Re: D Coote (VAR) - Liverpool v Leicester- NOT!
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: November 23, 2020, 9:30 am
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
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> the Laws state that making contact with an opponent before
making contact with the ball is a foul challenge
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Where do they say that?
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Re: D Coote (VAR) - Liverpool v Leicester- NOT!
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 23, 2020, 9:39 am
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
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>
>
> A bank robber making off with the money has still committed a
crime; just as a footballer may make contact with the ball can
still be guilty of a foul.
>
>
>
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What a rubbish analogy !!!!
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