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Re: C BREAKSPEAR - Plymouth v Portsmouth
DIR By: Argyle_Mikey
Date: November 18, 2020, 8:02 am
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Thanks Acme.
Card-free games like that are quite interesting. There seems to
be an assumption they're rare, but looking at the stats they
happen every week (although CB would not be high up the list of
likely candidates), and they seem to involve certain refs rather
more often than the law of averages would suggest.
BTW, the advice to be wary of Soccerbase was good, it's been
confirmed to me that there were only 5 cards in Argyle -v-
Pompey on Monday.
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Re: C BREAKSPEAR - Plymouth v Portsmouth
DIR By: bmb
Date: November 18, 2020, 8:02 am
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--- Quote from: Argyle_Mikey link ---
>
> Long time lurker, first time poster here. Evening all.
>
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Welcome to RTR ;D
#Post#: 23148--------------------------------------------------
Re: C BREAKSPEAR - Plymouth v Portsmouth
DIR By: LateTackle
Date: November 18, 2020, 10:23 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> I believe that Breakspear has been knocking on the SG2 door
for a little while now. Quite why he never seems to make it when
they take people who have done barely a year in Divs 1 and 2 is
hard to fathom and leads me to suspect that there is more to it
that just refereeing ability. On his day Breakspear is a very
decent referee and deserves his chance at a higher level.
>
--- End Quote ---
A suggestion that progression and promotion in refereeing
circles could be based on something other than sheer ability?
Surely not! :-\ ;D
--- Quote from: Argyle_Mikey link ---
>
> Card-free games like that are quite interesting. There seems
to be an assumption they're rare, but looking at the stats they
happen every week (although CB would not be high up the list of
likely candidates), and they seem to involve certain refs rather
more often than the law of averages would suggest.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is an interesting phenomenon. I can recall watching some
referees when the TV cameras were around that would be waving
cards at every opportunity. Yet in the absence of live coverage
the cards stayed in their pockets. One notable example was
Uriah Rennie who was actually quite good when he refereed
properly as opposed to the TV way. Now that every game is under
so much scrutiny, there is little opportunity to referee with
any common sense.
#Post#: 23149--------------------------------------------------
Re: C BREAKSPEAR - Plymouth v Portsmouth
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: November 18, 2020, 10:28 am
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--- Quote from: LateTackle link ---
>
> This is an interesting phenomenon. I can recall watching some
referees when the TV cameras were around that would be waving
cards at every opportunity. Yet in the absence of live coverage
the cards stayed in their pockets. One notable example was
Uriah Rennie who was actually quite good when he refereed
properly as opposed to the TV way. Now that every game is under
so much scrutiny, there is little opportunity to referee with
any common sense.
>
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Similar to the phenomenon seen at lower levels - except
substitute "Observer" for "TV cameras".
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Re: C BREAKSPEAR - Plymouth v Portsmouth
DIR By: Argyle_Mikey
Date: November 18, 2020, 10:53 am
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--- Quote from: LateTackle link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=1929.msg23128#msg23128
date=1605631600]
> I believe that Breakspear has been knocking on the SG2 door
for a little while now. Quite why he never seems to make it when
they take people who have done barely a year in Divs 1 and 2 is
hard to fathom and leads me to suspect that there is more to it
that just refereeing ability. On his day Breakspear is a very
decent referee and deserves his chance at a higher level.
>
--- End Quote ---
A suggestion that progression and promotion in refereeing
circles could be based on something other than sheer ability?
Surely not! :-\ ;D
--- Quote from: Argyle_Mikey link ---
>
> Card-free games like that are quite interesting. There seems
to be an assumption they're rare, but looking at the stats they
happen every week (although CB would not be high up the list of
likely candidates), and they seem to involve certain refs rather
more often than the law of averages would suggest.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is an interesting phenomenon. I can recall watching some
referees when the TV cameras were around that would be waving
cards at every opportunity. Yet in the absence of live coverage
the cards stayed in their pockets. One notable example was
Uriah Rennie who was actually quite good when he refereed
properly as opposed to the TV way. Now that every game is under
so much scrutiny, there is little opportunity to referee with
any common sense.
[/quote]
...but on the flip side, a couple of refs (Atkinson and
Drysdale) have recently managed their first card-free games of
the season when the matches HAVE been televised. :-\
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Re: C BREAKSPEAR - Plymouth v Portsmouth
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: November 18, 2020, 11:05 am
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--- Quote from: LateTackle link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=1929.msg23128#msg23128
date=1605631600]
> I believe that Breakspear has been knocking on the SG2 door
for a little while now. Quite why he never seems to make it when
they take people who have done barely a year in Divs 1 and 2 is
hard to fathom and leads me to suspect that there is more to it
that just refereeing ability. On his day Breakspear is a very
decent referee and deserves his chance at a higher level.
>
--- End Quote ---
A suggestion that progression and promotion in refereeing
circles could be based on something other than sheer ability?
Surely not! :-\ ;D
--- Quote from: Argyle_Mikey link ---
>
> Card-free games like that are quite interesting. There seems
to be an assumption they're rare, but looking at the stats they
happen every week (although CB would not be high up the list of
likely candidates), and they seem to involve certain refs rather
more often than the law of averages would su
> This is an interesting phenomenon. I can recall watching some
referees when the TV cameras were around that would be waving
cards at every opportunity. Yet in the absence of live coverage
the cards stayed in their pockets. One notable example was
Uriah Rennie who was actually quite good when he refereed
properly as opposed to the TV way. Now that every game is under
so much scrutiny, there is little opportunity to referee with
any common sense.
>
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
Any suggestion that progression and promotion might be due to
something other than sheer ability. How outrageous; it has me
reaching for my smelling salts !
Edited to fix the quote thingamajigga - hope I did it right! bmb
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Re: C BREAKSPEAR - Plymouth v Portsmouth
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 18, 2020, 11:55 am
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--- Quote from: Argyle_Mikey link ---
>
> Thanks.
>
> FWIW, I thought he did pretty well, certainly didn’t stand out
as a clown. The penalty looked fair to me too. The Marquis
booking did seem harsh though - especially if Mayor’s early one
wasn’t penalised in the same way. The handbags at the end could
perhaps have been settled by a quick word and a handshake rather
than a double booking. But I’m no expert on the laws in those
circumstances.
>
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Charlie is not one to settle for a handshake if there's a double
booking in the offing.
Welcome, by the way.
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Re: C BREAKSPEAR - Plymouth v Portsmouth
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 18, 2020, 12:00 pm
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--- Quote from: Argyle_Mikey link ---
>
> Thanks Acme.
>
> Card-free games like that are quite interesting. There seems
to be an assumption they're rare, but looking at the stats they
happen every week (although CB would not be high up the list of
likely candidates), and they seem to involve certain refs rather
more often than the law of averages would suggest.
>
> BTW, the advice to be wary of Soccerbase was good, it's been
confirmed to me that there were only 5 cards in Argyle -v-
Pompey on Monday.
>
--- End Quote ---
I wonder which referee has gone the longest without a cardfree
match. I have neither the time nor the confidence in soccerbase
to check.
However off the top of my head I'd go for Alan Young who does
not appear to have ever had a cardless match in his 6 years of
refereeing at "Conference" level or above.
This will not surprise anyone who saw him at Portman Road last
season !!
#Post#: 23160--------------------------------------------------
Re: C BREAKSPEAR - Plymouth v Portsmouth
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: November 18, 2020, 2:17 pm
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=Argyle_Mikey link=topic=1929.msg23145#msg23145
date=1605708125]
> Thanks Acme.
>
> Card-free games like that are quite interesting. There seems
to be an assumption they're rare, but looking at the stats they
happen every week (although CB would not be high up the list of
likely candidates), and they seem to involve certain refs rather
more often than the law of averages would suggest.
>
> BTW, the advice to be wary of Soccerbase was good, it's been
confirmed to me that there were only 5 cards in Argyle -v-
Pompey on Monday.
>
--- End Quote ---
I wonder which referee has gone the longest without a cardfree
match. I have neither the time nor the confidence in soccerbase
to check.
However off the top of my head I'd go for Alan Young who does
not appear to have ever had a cardless match in his 6 years of
refereeing at "Conference" level or above.
This will not surprise anyone who saw him at Portman Road last
season !!
[/quote]
A certain official called Parker from Preston in years gone by
would be a strong contender.
He would straight red card anything that moved ....
#Post#: 23163--------------------------------------------------
Re: C BREAKSPEAR - Plymouth v Portsmouth
DIR By: Argyle_Mikey
Date: November 18, 2020, 2:38 pm
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Good call by Nemesis. My deliberations also suggest Mr Young is
the winner of this slightly dubious honour.
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