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#Post#: 23097--------------------------------------------------
Missing forenames for Welsh linesmen officiating English clubs
in Europe
DIR By: Ted Best 2
Date: November 16, 2020, 2:00 pm
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I wonder if anyone can help with the following?
Below is a list of Welsh officials who were linesmen in a
European club competition match involving English clubs. I am
looking for the missing forenames (in BOLD). The information was
obtained from the match programmes. In some cases there isn’t a
lot to go on especially where the town of residence wasn’t
recorded.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
26/09/1956 Manchester United v Anderlecht - M.A. Jones, T.
Williams
04/10/1961 Nottingham Forest v Valencia – J. Marsh, Kenneth R.
Dodd
10/12/1963 Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur - Thomas M.
Parry (Prestatyn), R. Parker (Wrexham)
10/01/1968 Hibernian v Leeds United - R. Parker, J. R. Davis
/ Davies
21/05/1969 Newcastle United v Rangers - unknown
01/10/1969 Newcastle United v Dundee United - D. W. D. Jones
(Swansea), L. L. Roberts
14/01/1970 Southampton v Newcastle United - D. M. Morgan,
Leonard 'Len' A. Howells
30/09/1970 Linfield v Manchester City - P. T. Beaumont
(Fishguard), Thomas M. Parry (Prestatyn)
#Post#: 23113--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing forenames for Welsh linesmen officiating English
clubs in Europe
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: November 17, 2020, 3:07 am
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26/09/1956 Manchester United v Anderlecht - Neville A. (not
M.A.) Jones (Wrexham), Thomas "Tom" Williams (Dyserth, Rhyl)
04/10/1961 Nottingham Forest v Valencia – John Marsh (Llanfaes,
Brecon), Kenneth "Ken" R. Dodd (Wrexham)
10/12/1963 Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur - Thomas
"Tom" M. Parry (Prestatyn), Roy Parker (Hope, Wrexham)
10/01/1968 Hibernian v Leeds United - Roy Parker (Hope,
Wrexham), John R. Davies (not Davis) (Three Crosses, Gower)
21/05/1969 Newcastle United v Rangers - unknown (note referee
was John Gow, not Leo Callaghan as given in programme) (lines
not known)
01/10/1969 Newcastle United v Dundee United - David W. D.
Jones (Swansea), Leslie L. Roberts (Llandudno)
14/01/1970 Southampton v Newcastle United - David M. R. (add
R.) Morgan (Ammanford, Carms), Leonard "Len" A. Howells (Port
Talbot)
30/09/1970 Linfield v Manchester City - Peter T. Beaumont
(Fishguard), Thomas "Tom" M. Parry (Prestatyn)
#Post#: 23138--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing forenames for Welsh linesmen officiating English
clubs in Europe
DIR By: Ted Best 2
Date: November 17, 2020, 2:17 pm
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Many thanks John for completing the missing names.
I have found a few pictures of Les Roberts on this site that may
be of interest
HTML http://www.soccerscrapbook.co.uk/les-robertss-collection/
#Post#: 23140--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing forenames for Welsh linesmen officiating English
clubs in Europe
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: November 17, 2020, 4:57 pm
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Re the missing officials for Newcastle v Rangers 1968-69
There were 34 Welsh officials on the F.L. list that season
5 were referees, 8 were linesmen who later became F.L. referees,
another 8 linesmen appeared in other European ties
plus a further 13 other linesmen not included above
Referees - Leo Callaghan, W. John Gow, J. Gerrard D. Lewis,
Thomas "Tom" H.C. Reynolds, Clive Thomas
Linesmen, later Referees - John G.P. Davies, Jack (not John)
Flye, Leonard "Len" A. Howells, Ronald "Ron" Jones, James "Jim"
F. Orpin, Gwyn P. Owen, Kenneth "Ken" Sweet, John D. Williams
Linesmen who appeared in other European matches - Peter T.
Beaumont, John R. Davies, Kenneth "Ken" R. Dodd, David W.D.
Jones, D. Maldwyn R. Morgan, Roy Parker, Thomas "Tom" M. Parry,
Leslie L. Roberts
Linesmen - L.J. Davies (Ammanford), Roy Dunford (Neath), Gordon
L. Harrhy (Newport), Gerald D. Hellier (Cardiff), James "Jim"
Helps (Swansea), T.J. Hopkins (Pontypridd), G.C. James
(Newport), T. Jenkins (Swansea), R.R. Jones (Wrexham), Victor
"Vic" A. Lewis (Bridgend), Douglas "Doug" A. Munday (Tredegar),
C.M. Smith (Wrexham), Robert G. Thomas-Evelyn (Rhuddlan, Flint)
Anyone have first names for Davies, Hopkins, James, Jenkins,
Jones, Smith?
#Post#: 23147--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing forenames for Welsh linesmen officiating English
clubs in Europe
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: November 18, 2020, 8:48 am
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21/05/1969 Newcastle United v Rangers - John D. Williams
(Wrexham) & Gerald D. Hellier (Cardiff)
#Post#: 23150--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing forenames for Welsh linesmen officiating English
clubs in Europe
DIR By: Ted Best 2
Date: November 18, 2020, 10:37 am
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Great work John. Many thanks
Can I just ask where you were able to obtain the missing
linesmen from for the Newcastle v Rangers game?
#Post#: 23154--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing forenames for Welsh linesmen officiating English
clubs in Europe
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: November 18, 2020, 11:19 am
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It would appear that the programme's centre pages with the line
ups and officials (Callaghan & two blanks) were printed earlier
than other pages as they contain a "stop press" giving Gow as
the referee and the two linesmen listed above
#Post#: 23189--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing forenames for Welsh linesmen officiating English
clubs in Europe
DIR By: Ted Best
Date: November 20, 2020, 9:14 am
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Many thanks.
#Post#: 23241--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing forenames for Welsh linesmen officiating English
clubs in Europe
DIR By: Left Field
Date: November 22, 2020, 11:52 am
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Just for reference D.M.R. Morgan of Ammanford was actually known
by his middle name Maldwyn.
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