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Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
DIR By: robbieg
Date: November 6, 2020, 10:13 am
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Penalty to Sunderland for a defender heading the ball against
his team mates hand. Oh dear oh dear.
I can see why Ipswich were so incensed about the decision but
we were on the back of two horrendously bad decisions last
season that ultimately cost us four points and basically
promotion into the Championship.
Good decision though on the sending off of Andre Dozzell and I
don't think the Ipswich complaints were justified.
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 6, 2020, 11:23 am
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--- Quote from: robbieg link ---
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> Penalty to Sunderland for a defender heading the ball against
his team mates hand. Oh dear oh dear.
> I can see why Ipswich were so incensed about the decision but
we were on the back of two horrendously bad decisions last
season that ultimately cost us four points and basically
promotion into the Championship.
> Good decision though on the sending off of Andre Dozzell and I
don't think the Ipswich complaints were justified.
>
--- End Quote ---
The "handball" was one of the worst penalty decisions I have
ever seen.
The red card for Dozzell was incredibly harsh both in isolation
and in the context of everything else in the game. It is
reported that Mike Jones had personally told Paul Lambert that
he disagreed with the decision.
The coin used by the appeals team came down the wrong way.
As autologically named referees go, this one couldn't be more
wrong.
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
DIR By: ARF
Date: November 6, 2020, 12:13 pm
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> It is an offence if a player:
> [...]
> • touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
> [...]
> • the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless
the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their
hand/arm)
> The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s
hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of
another player who is close.
--- End Quote ---
Hand is above shoulder level - it's a penalty.
As for the red card, when you're lunging in like this...
HTML https://i.imgur.com/6TW50lH.png
...and your foot is high enough that it rolls over the top of
the ball and you take the opponent out, I don't think you can
argue too much about it being a sending off. The only caveat to
that for me is that I've only seen a slow-mo replay, which makes
it difficult to judge the amount of force in the tackle.
#Post#: 22736--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 6, 2020, 12:36 pm
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--- Quote from: ARF link ---
>
> [quote]It is an offence if a player:
> [...]
> • touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
> [...]
> • the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless
the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their
hand/arm)
> The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s
hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of
another player who is close.
--- End Quote ---
Hand is above shoulder level - it's a penalty.
As for the red card, when you're lunging in like this...
HTML https://i.imgur.com/6TW50lH.png
...and your foot is high enough that it rolls over the top of
the ball and you take the opponent out, I don't think you can
argue too much about it being a sending off. The only caveat to
that for me is that I've only seen a slow-mo replay, which makes
it difficult to judge the amount of force in the tackle.
[/quote]
Not much. He's falling backwards at the time:
HTML https://youtu.be/axIADv33Z7A
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
DIR By: rustyref
Date: November 6, 2020, 1:35 pm
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He's tackled straight legged with a high foot, you are always in
trouble if that makes contact and the referee sees it. The
handball is harsh, but his arm is up high so again is taking a
big risk.
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 7, 2020, 12:43 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
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> He's tackled straight legged with a high foot, you are always
in trouble if that makes contact and the referee sees it. The
handball is harsh, but his arm is up high so again is taking a
big risk.
>
--- End Quote ---
There can be no-one in football, bar maybe a few referees and
administrators, who think that is the type of offence that the
handball law is intended to penalise.
Especially galling when a tackle just as reckless and dangerous
against Ipswich today isn't even penalised, a penalty far more
blatant isn't given and they are knocked out by a clearly
offside goal.
Very poor from Abbas Khan and I don't think Andy Haines has got
many, if any, seasons ahead of him.
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
DIR By: bmb
Date: November 7, 2020, 1:51 pm
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UEFA President Aleksander Ceferin has written to FIFA
counterpart Gianni Infantino, asking the game’s governing body
to adjust the handball law. It follows a rise in what Ceferin
deems “unfair decisions” against players.
HTML https://lastwordonsports.com/football/2020/11/05/uefa-asks-fifa-to-adjust-handball-law-to-prevent-more-unfair-decisions/
#Post#: 22765--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: November 8, 2020, 1:09 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=1903.msg22738#msg22738
date=1604691304]
> He's tackled straight legged with a high foot, you are always
in trouble if that makes contact and the referee sees it. The
handball is harsh, but his arm is up high so again is taking a
big risk.
>
--- End Quote ---
There can be no-one in football, bar maybe a few referees and
administrators, who think that is the type of offence that the
handball law is intended to penalise.
Especially galling when a tackle just as reckless and dangerous
against Ipswich today isn't even penalised, a penalty far more
blatant isn't given and they are knocked out by a clearly
offside goal.
Very poor from Abbas Khan and I don't think Andy Haines has got
many, if any, seasons ahead of him.
[/quote]
How was the 'winner* not offside?
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
DIR By: ex-ref
Date: November 8, 2020, 8:37 am
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The performance by Andy Haines was as poor as I have seen at
Portman Road for a long time. Oh yes Mr Young last season!!
How he and his ARs missed a blatant penalty, a possible red card
challenge and the clearly 'offside' goal baffles me. As Matt
Holland commented ' he's given nothing all day but a foul
throw!'
It is one of those performances where it would be interesting to
read the assessors report.
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
DIR By: SuffolkRef
Date: November 8, 2020, 9:52 am
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Rather laughably Haines said that he didn't give the penalty
because the Ipswich player did the first foul. He certainly
didn't blow for a free kick for that non existent foul.
As for the possible red card challenge, I'm really not sure of
Haines' logic of it not being a foul because the Portsmouth
player got to the ball first. He was certainly off the ground
for that challenge.
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