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       Re: Jarred Gillett Coventry v Bournemouth 2-Oct-20
   DIR By: LateTackle
       Date: October 6, 2020, 4:00 am
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       > [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=1815.msg21608#msg21608
       date=1601828999]
       > [quote author=DublinRef link=topic=1815.msg21573#msg21573
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       > On your point LateTackle - This may sound stupid - but I think
       we all know that an act does not have to be violent for it to be
       considered violent conduct.
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       > The red card is correct, hand to the face and you are always
       in big trouble, nailed on red? No. Have we seen yellow given for
       similar before? Probably. Incorrect red? Not a chance.
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       > The action by Cook looked to me to be a rough push to the
       chest, yes with much more force than the "slap" that got red but
       rightly or wrongly a push to the chest versus a hand to the face
       will never be viewed the same.
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       > I totally agree with PhiltheRef, just because someone seems to
       be facing towards an incident does not at all mean that they saw
       it, its very difficult on TV to see where ones eyes are focused.
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       I do take your point about what constitutes violent conduct but
       what you say absolutely defines how ridiculous the game has
       become.  Hamer did nothing violent but gets a red for violent
       conduct.  Cook commits an obvious act of violence and stays on.
       Absolutely ridiculous state of affairs!   I would advocate that
       a red card for violent conduct should be just that, not cobbled
       together from the more and more farcical interpretations we are
       seeing now.  Just look at the handball situation.
       I have long contended that making interpretations more arcane
       and convoluted has the effect of allowing a decision at a given
       situation justifiable, whichever way it is called.  Football is
       a simple game made complicated to protect the integrity and
       credibility of referees.  Another example is that of players
       falling over to buy a penalty, usually with the slightest of
       contact.  Coaches 'expect' penalties when there is contact so
       their players fall over at the slightest touch.  An example was
       Leicester's 3rd (!) penalty last week when Madison fell like a
       hyperactive toddler at a mere touch.  All pundits agree a
       penalty is correct and he was 'entitled to go down'.  (Madison
       had a reputation for this at Coventry before he was 20.)  It's
       time that referees realised that football is a game of contact
       and 'buying' penalties has no place in it.
       Football loses credibility season by season, largely because of
       the way referees are instructed to referee.  They are like
       robots, for which I don't hold them to blame.  But I, like lots
       of people I know, are done with the professional game now,
       especially the sheer lunacy that is the Premier League.
       As for what a referee can see, it is a reasonable assumption
       that a professional referee can see what happens 5 yards in
       front of his nose.  If he didn't see it, what the hell was he
       looking at?  Maybe time for a career change. ;)
       Rant over......for now! ::)
       [/quote]
       I very much take your point and agree with lots of what you say.
       In my view I would question whether either player really needed
       to be sent off, I think two yellow cards would have been fine -
       I just don't think that would be allowed with the current
       laws/interpretations.
       I think the problem is lack of trust in the referees to deem
       what is a fair sanction, everything is too heavily prescribed
       and directed, its like for every situation the referee has to
       fit it into a certain box or frame (even if it doesn't fit very
       well) without being able to interpret it him/herself.
       I think we need to go back to trusting referees to dish out a
       fair sanction, the punishment should match the crime so to speak
       and a red for Hamer was way too harsh imo - but totally correct
       as the law currently stands.
       [/quote]
       Exactly my point and what I have been saying for a long time!  I
       could not have ever picked up a whistle under the current
       farcical regime.  When I refereed I feel I was capable of
       judging what was violent and what wasn't, and I was certainly
       capable of deciding whether there was intent in a handball
       situation.  There seems to be no room to apply common sense any
       more.  When I qualified as a referee we were taught that the
       most important thing to learn was Law 18.
       Referees have become robots, programmed by ever more restrictive
       and meaningless interpretations by the hierarchy.  It has ruined
       the game as a spectacle at top level.  I would also add that a
       referee should never have to award penalties, red cards and so
       on simply on the say-so of someone else sat in a portakabin
       miles away.  VAR has a place but it should be alerting referees
       to take a look on a monitor.  Whatever happened to a referee
       being the sole arbiter?
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