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#Post#: 21305--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes- Tottenham Newcastle
DIR By: Jackinthebox
Date: September 27, 2020, 10:48 am
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Even if it was the correct Decison which I still don't belive it
was,surly common sense needs to be applied. How was Dier meant
to jump? He had his back to the ball, the distance the ball
travelled between leaving Caroll's head to hitting Dier's arm is
very minimal. Very much a case of ball to hand in my opinion.
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Re: Peter Bankes- Tottenham Newcastle
DIR By: guest379
Date: September 27, 2020, 10:49 am
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"I don't want to speak about it. The only feeling I am ready to
share is that I don't feel Tottenham is respected according to
to what the club is. No respect.
It is my feeling. You know it is the third club I manage in the
country, so happy so proud, so happy everyday, I would not
change it for any other job in the world but I feel it, I feel
we deserve more respect."
Don't agree with too much that Mourinho says or has said in the
past, but this is spot on. What he is referring to of course if
that Spurs get zilch from Premier League referees, the only
thing seem to have gotten since VAR introduced is a few offside
decisions admittedly, but they've evened themselves up according
to the ludicrous colouring lines they like to make up, just as
many for as against.
1 home league penalty for Spurs since April 2017, that is a
travesty in footballing terms. Add another one to the
collection today according to this bizarre new handball rule and
useless refereeing.
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Re: Peter Bankes- Tottenham Newcastle
DIR By: guest3
Date: September 27, 2020, 10:51 am
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I just saw it. Bankes decision is in accordance with the LOTG.
No real complaints.
#Post#: 21312--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes- Tottenham Newcastle
DIR By: ajb95
Date: September 27, 2020, 11:54 am
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Well done to Peter Bankes for the worst penalty decision of the
season - in a season full of **** decisions.
The lawmakers need to hang their heads in shame at the way the
professional (and all) levels of football are turning into. It’s
a farce!!
That today has never been handball in any era under any laws!!
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Re: Peter Bankes- Tottenham Newcastle
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: September 27, 2020, 12:27 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> Well done to Peter Bankes for the worst penalty decision of
the season - in a season full of **** decisions.
>
> The lawmakers need to hang their heads in shame at the way the
professional (and all) levels of football are turning into. It’s
a farce!!
>
> That today has never been handball in any era under any laws!!
>
--- End Quote ---
You can blame the lawmakers if you want - but I don't think you
can blame any specific referee/VAR who have consistently applied
the law as directed so far.
There were something like 57 penalties given in Italy last
season for handball so I fear you're going to be writing that
sort of post a lot this season!
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Re: Peter Bankes- Tottenham Newcastle
DIR By: ajb95
Date: September 27, 2020, 12:35 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=1791.msg21312#msg21312
date=1601225659]
> Well done to Peter Bankes for the worst penalty decision of
the season - in a season full of **** decisions.
>
> The lawmakers need to hang their heads in shame at the way the
professional (and all) levels of football are turning into. It’s
a farce!!
>
> That today has never been handball in any era under any laws!!
>
--- End Quote ---
You can blame the lawmakers if you want - but I don't think you
can blame any specific referee/VAR who have consistently applied
the law as directed so far.
There were something like 57 penalties given in Italy last
season for handball so I fear you're going to be writing that
sort of post a lot this season!
[/quote]
If I have to write it every week so be it
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Re: Peter Bankes- Tottenham Newcastle
DIR By: Leggy
Date: September 27, 2020, 12:54 pm
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--- Quote from: edy link ---
>
> I just saw it. Bankes decision is in accordance with the LOTG.
No real complaints.
>
--- End Quote ---
Then the Law - as Charles Dickens wrote in Oliver Twist - is an
ass.
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Re: Peter Bankes- Tottenham Newcastle
DIR By: Matt
Date: September 27, 2020, 12:56 pm
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Maybe english fans, the english media, the english teams should
just lump it?
There's a certain air of the english holidaymaker here, English
arrogance.
And ajb95 can criticise every referee by name every week, oh and
by the way - that today was a handball in the current era of the
rules. Redstripe can come out with these ridiculous assumptions
of empty stadiums and not actually knowing who to blame. TAGW
can play the "poor Spurs" card all they like but when Spurs
start getting these calls they'll probably remain silent.
You can moan all you like about it and act like a 3 year old
because he didn't get to watch his tv program when eating his
dinner (= full blown tantrum) or you can just move on with your
life and accept it.
As Dale said on twitter, if we had implemented it at the same
time (just after the world cup) then everyone would've been
going off the same interpretation with the momentum of the world
cup.
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Re: Peter Bankes- Tottenham Newcastle
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: September 27, 2020, 3:03 pm
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I agree that the English game is attempting to impose its own
interpretation on the world game - this interpretation has been
seen elsewhere in the world for at least two years (just think
back to the 2018 World Cup fianl as mentioned) so it's nothing
new for most of the footballing world.
With VAR, FIFA etc had to try and find a universal approach and
consistency rather than the precious woolly subjective
definition which had loads of debate and disagreement (how many
handballs in the penalty area were really 'deliberate'?)
It's jarring because we're not used to it but the trend in
Germany is players have adapted and penalties have been reduced.
As Graeme Souness said, if you were starting football from
scratch now and made a law of 'if the ball hits the hand it will
generally be penalised apart from very exceptional
circumstances' then there wouldn't necessarily be much dissent.
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Re: Peter Bankes- Tottenham Newcastle
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: September 27, 2020, 3:29 pm
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A case of a perfect application of an imperfect law.
No blame whatsoever on the officials on the day, they did their
job as prescribed in law (more particularly its current
interpretation).
Now with regard to the question raised by Matt of, "English
Arrogance", one cannot help but be somewhat sympathetic to this
viewpoint considering the manner in which handball has been more
leniently treated in England and particularly with regard to how
the EPL implemented VAR. For me though this is really an issue
with the law and not with any one country's reaction to its
implementation (indeed I fear the reaction had that penalty been
given in the Airtricity League here for example!!).
I understand that the law has aimed to take out the
subjectiveness in the decision and essentially make it easier
for the officials. I feel however that incidents like the one
today are extremely difficult to detect live and essentially
rely on VAR to be in operation to be penalised consistently. I
think 9/10 referees would have played on as Bankes did today
without VAR intervention.
Really though the issue is what everyone is saying - the
interpretation is just far too harsh and leads to decisions that
feel farcical. I think we should go back to trusting referees to
decide what is/isn't deliberate handball.
Finally its funny to hear pundits make comments along the lines
of "we all know what handball really is" and that VAR is
"ruining the spectacle of the game". The same pundits who for
years complained of referees inability to understand a players
intention and who yearned for video technology to be
introduced.......be careful what you wish for??
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