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Re: Kevin Friend/Anthony Taylor- Palace V Everton
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: September 28, 2020, 2:16 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> [quote author=bruntyboy link=topic=1790.msg21270#msg21270
date=1601169725]
> Were Palace complaining when they got awarded a similar
penalty (player's arm away from his body) by VAR intervention at
Old Trafford last week?
>
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Yes Roy Hodgson was quite sincere about it last week saying it
wasn’t a penalty. Same as this one today. Feel sorry for friend
because he has correctly waved it away.
Not a penalty for me and lawmakers are ruining football!!
[/quote]
Agreed. I think the normally fair-minded Roy Hodgson made the
point well in his post-match interview - if a player
deliberately handles the ball, penalty, if the ball accidentally
strikes a player's hand, then no penalty. That's how it always
was and that's how it should be. Neither incident was a penalty
at Selhurst Park on Saturday nor the incident at OT the previous
week. And yes, I believe Kevin Friend should have stuck with his
original decision to wave away appeals for a penalty. But that
was never going to happen, was it? We have waited long enough
for the monitors to be used in PL games, let's hope it's not a
recipe for fresh controversy.
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Re: Kevin Friend/Anthony Taylor- Palace V Everton
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: September 28, 2020, 3:18 am
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With the present interpretation for handball, I think it's just
about inevitable that the referee will change his decision.
Where it could be possible a referee may stick with his original
decision is for potential SFP and a Red or Yellow Card. There
have been incidents in the past where it's been reported that
SG1 referees were divided when subsequently reviewing them at
one of their regular meetings, and certainly former referees
have disagreed. Excessive force, endangering an opponent, while
clear on occasions, can be subjective on others, and where a
referee may factor in other considerations like the temperature
of the game and how best to control it. If you like, the 'deep
orange' card situation which could produce a card of either
colour. I guess the response to that is that if VAR recognises
that situation as well, he wouldn't regard it as a 'clear and
obvious' error. But as has been commented before, slo-mo or
still pictures are not always helpful.
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Re: Kevin Friend/Anthony Taylor- Palace V Everton
DIR By: REDSTRIPE
Date: September 28, 2020, 3:48 am
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> [quote author=Mackem ref link=topic=1790.msg21276#msg21276
date=1601197492]
> I think that’s part of the problem jackinthebox. It’s great,
IMO, to see referees using the monitors more frequently, but
when will we see a referee brave enough to disagree with VAR?
It’s almost like if you view the monitor you must change your
decision!
>
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The VAR is only meant to recommend an on-field review if they
believe an error has been made though so if the process works
correctly the referee should change their decision the vast
majority of the time.
I think the PGMO would consider the decision to give a penalty
in this game to be correct.
[/quote (content removed, no flaming other posters !)
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Re: Kevin Friend/Anthony Taylor- Palace V Everton
DIR By: Matt
Date: September 28, 2020, 4:08 am
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Hodgson says how wrong the handball was, but he's not telling
his players to miss the penalty to correct an injustice or to
allow the opposition to walk the ball into the net....
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Re: Kevin Friend/Anthony Taylor- Palace V Everton
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: September 28, 2020, 4:32 am
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If a colleague with access to screens and ergo more angles than
you suggested you review something (such advice theoretically
only being issued in the case of clear and obvious error) you
would have to have some cojones to not be subconsciously
influenced to change your decision I reckon
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Re: Kevin Friend/Anthony Taylor- Palace V Everton
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: September 28, 2020, 5:16 am
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IMHO, the Brighton v Man Utd '100th minute' penalty incident was
the only correct handball decision of the weekend. We will now
have balls being aimed at defenders' hands in the penalty area,
constant demands for penalties when the ball goes anywhere near
a player's hand, and a lack of consistency with lower leagues
outside of the PL where VAR is not available and where none of
the penalties would have been given had it been the Championship
or Ls1/2
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Re: Kevin Friend/Anthony Taylor- Palace V Everton
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: September 28, 2020, 5:28 am
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--- Quote from: REDSTRIPE link ---
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> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1790.msg21287#msg21287
date=1601215403]
> [quote author=Mackem ref link=topic=1790.msg21276#msg21276
date=1601197492]
> I think that’s part of the problem jackinthebox. It’s great,
IMO, to see referees using the monitors more frequently, but
when will we see a referee brave enough to disagree with VAR?
It’s almost like if you view the monitor you must change your
decision!
>
--- End Quote ---
The VAR is only meant to recommend an on-field review if they
believe an error has been made though so if the process works
correctly the referee should change their decision the vast
majority of the time.
I think the PGMO would consider the decision to give a penalty
in this game to be correct.
[/quote](content removed)
[/quote]
What decisions do you think the PGMO would disagree with?
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