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Re: Martin Atkinson Man Utd vs Crystal Palace
DIR By: robbieg
Date: September 19, 2020, 4:31 pm
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Well done Jon Moss. Too many occasions in the past goalkeepers
have been treated far too leniently by referees.
#Post#: 20990--------------------------------------------------
Re: Martin Atkinson Man Utd vs Crystal Palace
DIR By: dtrv2
Date: September 19, 2020, 4:59 pm
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For me the issue isn't the retake, which is a factual decision,
but the initial penalty. I really worry that if that is the
measure by which handball is now judged, we're heading for a
similar approach to in UEFA football where pretty much every
time it hits a hand it's handball, which doesn't sit well with
me. The problem is that most handballs look worse in super slow
motion and there's no allowance for full speed natural body
movements when running, jumping or tackling.
#Post#: 20991--------------------------------------------------
Re: Martin Atkinson Man Utd vs Crystal Palace
DIR By: ajb95
Date: September 19, 2020, 5:15 pm
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And yet a more clear cut handball goes unpunished in the arsenal
- West Ham game...
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Re: Martin Atkinson Man Utd vs Crystal Palace
DIR By: ajb95
Date: September 19, 2020, 5:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Matt link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=1773.msg20977#msg20977
date=1600541725]
> Not sure about the penalty -Lindelof is very close to Zaha, 1
yard away, and natural movement of his arm when running back.
> The handball rule is an absolute con; we are going to see so
many ridiculous handballs this season
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm sorry - in what godly earth, is an arm bent at head height
"natural" ?
[/quote]
If you look at it again his hand isn’t at head height. When you
run your arms are going to come up naturally, you can’t run with
your arms by your side
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Re: Martin Atkinson Man Utd vs Crystal Palace
DIR By: AFAref
Date: September 19, 2020, 5:20 pm
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--- Quote from: dtrv2 link ---
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> we're heading for a similar approach to in UEFA football
>
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Well as we are part of UEFA, then maybe it’s about time we are
adopting the same approach. It can’t be good for players, and
our referees, playing to one set of law interpretation in the
Premier League and then playing to a different set midweek in
European competitions or European qualifiers etc.
This is how FIFA/UEFA want elite football. Hopefully the fans
will vote their feet/ tv subscriptions.
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Re: Martin Atkinson Man Utd vs Crystal Palace
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: September 19, 2020, 5:34 pm
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--- Quote from: dtrv2 link ---
>
> For me the issue isn't the retake, which is a factual
decision, but the initial penalty. I really worry that if that
is the measure by which handball is now judged, we're heading
for a similar approach to in UEFA football where pretty much
every time it hits a hand it's handball, which doesn't sit well
with me. The problem is that most handballs look worse in super
slow motion and there's no allowance for full speed natural body
movements when running, jumping or tackling.
>
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As far as I can tell, the whole idea is that there's a universal
approach and that's what the Premier League have signed up to -
which is what loads of people were calling for last season. 'Why
does the Premier League think it knows best? etc.'
If it's given in the CL it will also be givne in the PL this
season.
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Re: Martin Atkinson Man Utd vs Crystal Palace
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: September 19, 2020, 5:37 pm
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--- Quote from: dave26 link ---
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> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1773.msg20976#msg20976
date=1600541581]
> It was clearly stated before start of season no tolerance
would be applied for keepers at penalties. Correct decision.
First of many.n
>
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Might be correct by law but not when he was barely off his line
, I can guarantee you that you will see plenty of incidents this
season where goalkeepers are well off their line on a penalty
kick and the save stands
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Well those would be incorrect decisions so we can criticise if
that happens but it's a factual decision so I don't think it
generally will. This is something FIFA have requested and the PL
have signed up to - TVOS is right that we've seen things like
grappling in penalty areas changed after a few weeks but I don't
see them doing that this season because it's black and white and
like offside last season you can't suddenly change once the
season has started.
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Re: Martin Atkinson Man Utd vs Crystal Palace
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: September 19, 2020, 5:53 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> And yet a more clear cut handball goes unpunished in the
arsenal - West Ham game...
>
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Watching on MOTD, I think the ball hit the body too high up to
be handball under the new laws.
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Re: Martin Atkinson Man Utd vs Crystal Palace
DIR By: Leggy
Date: September 20, 2020, 4:44 am
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--- Quote from: robbie_scouse link ---
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> Sorry, the game is a travesty if you’re going to penalise
goalkeepers for that!
> No advantage gained whatsoever and it is physically impossible
for a goalkeeper to stay on his line and dive.
> They’d be as well starting two yards behind the line if this
is the precedent!!
>
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"it is physically impossible for a goalkeeper to stay on his
line and dive"
Errr - no it is not.
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Re: Martin Atkinson Man Utd vs Crystal Palace
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: September 20, 2020, 4:46 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=1773.msg20991#msg20991
date=1600553733]
> And yet a more clear cut handball goes unpunished in the
arsenal - West Ham game...
>
--- End Quote ---
Watching on MOTD, I think the ball hit the body too high up to
be handball under the new laws.
[/quote]
I thought this was a tough one. Player looked as if he was
intending to head the ball; his arm wasn't fully outstretched,
more bent at the elbow; and where it actually struck was hard to
tell. The problem is the ball isn't like an arrow point, it's
round with a circumference and therefore covers a wider area.
I'm not sure Oliver even saw it. There was no appeal as far as I
could see so no action to denote 'no penalty'. I suspect if
Oliver had awarded the penalty it wouldn't have been overruled
either. Umpire's call you might say.
The Lindelof incident could have fallen into the same category
but Moss presumably deemed it 'clear and obvious' and advised
Atkinson to view the monitor. I wonder if we'll see many
incidents where a referee having been so advised will stick to
his original decision, the onfield referee being the final
arbiter.
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