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       Re: The Russian scandal(s)
   DIR By: Ref Watcher
       Date: September 4, 2020, 4:16 am
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       > as you say we have now had reports of all 3 possible outcomes
       of the lie detector test.
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       Is that not the expected outcome of a lie detector test?  :)
       #Post#: 20612--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Russian scandal(s)
   DIR By: Microscopist
       Date: September 6, 2020, 12:21 pm
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       > [quote author=bmb link=topic=1695.msg20530#msg20530
       date=1599157880]
       > as you say we have now had reports of all 3 possible outcomes
       of the lie detector test.
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       Is that not the expected outcome of a lie detector test?  :)
       [/quote]
       A bit like VAR?
       #Post#: 20895--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Russian scandal(s)
   DIR By: jad
       Date: September 16, 2020, 8:31 am
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       I see from the web-site of the Russian FA that David Elleray has
       been appointed an 'independent special adviser' to the
       Secretary-General of the Russian FA, Aleksandr Alaev, to  add to
       his already impressive collection of job titles.*   I gather
       that his task is to advise and assist with the implementation of
       VAR.  Whatever he and Mr Alaev end up talking about, I think I
       can safely guarantee that there is one piece of advice Mr
       Elleray will not be offering: 'Lie detectors?  What an excellent
       idea!  We use them all the time at Harrow.'
       *Technical director of IFAB, Chairman of the Refereeing
       Committee of the FA, Chairman of the Belgian Council for
       Professional Refereeing, member of the UEFA Commission for
       Referee Development.
       Ah, where would world football be without the input from English
       schoolmasters (I use both terms advisedly)?
       #Post#: 20938--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Russian scandal(s)
   DIR By: mutn3
       Date: September 18, 2020, 1:20 pm
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       " Where would we be without English Schoolmasters" asks Jad, and
       certainly his question is more tongue in cheek than my answer!
       Arthur Barton, Reg Leafe, Gordon Hill et al...
       Not very far probably Jad.
       #Post#: 21117--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Russian scandal(s)
   DIR By: jad
       Date: September 22, 2020, 8:44 am
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       Thanks for the reply.  The people I particularly had in mind
       were Sir Stanley Rous and Ken Aston.  I suspect that David
       Elleray may be the last of the line, partly because
       schoolmasters, as such, don't really exist any more (at any rate
       outside the likes of Eton and Harrow), but also because the
       upper reaches of English football seem to be firmly in the hands
       of recycled media executives.
       #Post#: 21128--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Russian scandal(s)
   DIR By: guest3
       Date: September 22, 2020, 11:57 am
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       Unless Karasev has a P.O. match, it's strange that no Russian
       referee is appointed since the start of the 2020-2021 season.
       UEFA is certainly not happy.
       #Post#: 21149--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Russian scandal(s)
   DIR By: jad
       Date: September 23, 2020, 9:56 am
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       There may be a more innocent explanation.  Air travel into and
       out of Russia is still extremely limited, and it may simply not
       be possible for Russian officials to accept appointments in
       other European countries.
       Though I now see that Mr Karasyov has indeed been given a Europa
       League play-off appointment.
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