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#Post#: 1277--------------------------------------------------
Liverpool v Chelsea - Kevin Friend
DIR By: bmb
Date: September 26, 2018, 5:20 pm
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Seems Mr Friend is as unpopular on the red side of Merseyside as
he is in Bournemouth! He's taking an absolute battering on
twitter right now over an offside goal. It says on there he
consulted VAR but not whether he just took their word for it or
had a look at it himself. Did anyone watch who can clarify if he
looked or just listened? If he just relied on his VAR's word
then the criticism his way is a tad harsh but then I am talking
twitter & not many on there would have the foresight to blame
the VAR not the ref! VAR was Graham Scott. This is the still
from it.
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#Post#: 1278--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Chelsea - Kevin Friend
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: September 26, 2018, 7:48 pm
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You can't tell from that picture whether the player who had the
header (Cahill) is clearly offside. The two Chelsea players
ahead of play didn't interefere with the defenders playing the
ball.
I noticed that they didn't go to VAR on the Liverpool goal to
confirm whether Sturrdige was offside on the original shot which
the goalkeeper palmed out to him.
Also no booking for Keita for an obvious dive for a penalty and
seen by Friend. Also booked Moses near the end of stoppage time
for delaying a throw in (where the player simply let another
Chelsea player take the throw in) despite a Liverpool having
done exactly the same thing earlier on with no booking.
#Post#: 1280--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Chelsea - Kevin Friend
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: September 27, 2018, 2:01 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
>
>
> I noticed that they didn't go to VAR on the Liverpool goal to
confirm whether Sturrdige was offside on the original shot which
the goalkeeper palmed out to him.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Agree, saw the goals this morning and from the 'hundreds' of
different angles SKY showed, not one showed/queried whether he
was offside?
#Post#: 1281--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Chelsea - Kevin Friend
DIR By: bmb
Date: September 27, 2018, 4:48 am
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As I don't know which player is which, this is a closer up of
the still. 8, 28 & 29 all look offside to me - which one is
Cahill? On twitter it said it was Barclay who headed not Cahill?
If #8 was who headed the ball then it's not clear and obvious in
my opinion. That's a very tight call & not one that the AR could
have really made with 100% certainty in real time.
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Re: Liverpool v Chelsea - Kevin Friend
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: September 27, 2018, 6:09 am
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Scholes on the far side would have needed 6 eyes to work out who
was offside and who played it. Virtually impossible to
distinguish. It even took VAR a good minute or so to look at it
several times over.
I didn’t think Friend did that badly. He was consistent with the
cards aside from Keita’s dive.
Certainly not a disaster by any stretch.
#Post#: 1283--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Chelsea - Kevin Friend
DIR By: ASM
Date: September 27, 2018, 6:14 am
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Cahill is the player centrally who is not offside. 8 is Barkley,
29 Morata and 28 is Azpilicueta
#Post#: 1285--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Chelsea - Kevin Friend
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: September 27, 2018, 6:25 am
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--- Quote from: QuoCob link ---
>
> [quote author=bruntyboy link=topic=165.msg1278#msg1278
date=1538009324]
>
> I noticed that they didn't go to VAR on the Liverpool goal to
confirm whether Sturrdige was offside on the original shot which
the goalkeeper palmed out to him.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Agree, saw the goals this morning and from the 'hundreds' of
different angles SKY showed, not one showed/queried whether he
was offside?
[/quote]
It's not a case of going to VAR or not because VAR looks at
every goal anyway.
For the Chelsea goal, I don't think there was a conclusive angle
to say whether or not it was offside so right to stay with the
original decision.
#Post#: 1288--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Chelsea - Kevin Friend
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: September 27, 2018, 1:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=QuoCob link=topic=165.msg1280#msg1280
date=1538031665]
> [quote author=bruntyboy link=topic=165.msg1278#msg1278
date=1538009324]
>
> I noticed that they didn't go to VAR on the Liverpool goal to
confirm whether Sturrdige was offside on the original shot which
the goalkeeper palmed out to him.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Agree, saw the goals this morning and from the 'hundreds' of
different angles SKY showed, not one showed/queried whether he
was offside?
[/quote]
It's not a case of going to VAR or not because VAR looks at
every goal anyway.
[/quote]
How do we know that VAR looked at offside for the original shot
(as what was reviewed for onr Derby's second goal the previous
night)? Admittedly Sturridge looked in line with the defender
but we don't know because there wasn't a still with lines across
the pitch. His toe could have been offside as has been ruled
before. When Sturridge kicked the ball he was back in an onside
position.
Is it now time we went back to the "daylight" reference for
offsides? Plus as has been mentioned we have in this instance 2
Chelsea players definitely in "offside" positions and another
VAR will decide they are interfering with the defenders.
Yes bmb you are right I should have referred to Barkley not
Cahill.
#Post#: 1289--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Chelsea - Kevin Friend
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: September 27, 2018, 1:52 pm
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=165.msg1285#msg1285
date=1538047548]
> [quote author=QuoCob link=topic=165.msg1280#msg1280
date=1538031665]
> [quote author=bruntyboy link=topic=165.msg1278#msg1278
date=1538009324]
>
> I noticed that they didn't go to VAR on the Liverpool goal to
confirm whether Sturrdige was offside on the original shot which
the goalkeeper palmed out to him.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Agree, saw the goals this morning and from the 'hundreds' of
different angles SKY showed, not one showed/queried whether he
was offside?
[/quote]
It's not a case of going to VAR or not because VAR looks at
every goal anyway.
[/quote]
How do we know that VAR looked at offside for the original shot
(as what was reviewed for onr Derby's second goal the previous
night)? Admittedly Sturridge looked in line with the defender
but we don't know because there wasn't a still with lines across
the pitch. His toe could have been offside as has been ruled
before. When Sturridge kicked the ball he was back in an onside
position.
Is it now time we went back to the "daylight" reference for
offsides? Plus as has been mentioned we have in this instance 2
Chelsea players definitely in "offside" positions and another
VAR will decide they are interfering with the defenders.
Yes bmb you are right I should have referred to Barkley not
Cahill.
[/quote]
Well, we don't know for certain that they looked at it, but
there's no reason to think that they didn't - how do we know for
certain that they looked to see if Romero was correctly sent off
at Old Trafford or not?
At first, I wondered if Sturridge was offside or not but based
on the replays it seemed fairly clear that he was on. And I
think we can reasonably assume that firstly if it had been
offside or a very close decision then VAR would have corrected
it and secondly Sky would have shown replays if there was any
contention.
#Post#: 1290--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool v Chelsea - Kevin Friend
DIR By: bmb
Date: September 27, 2018, 2:37 pm
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
>
> Is it now time we went back to the "daylight" reference for
offsides? Plus as has been mentioned we have in this instance 2
Chelsea players definitely in "offside" positions and another
VAR will decide they are interfering with the defenders.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm pretty sure the Law on offside was always much clearer than
it is now, it's about as clear as mud these days! Far too many
permutations, imo, for an AR to have to consider, in the split
second they have to make a decision, beyond the simple is he is
an offside position, yes or no, especially given the speed the
game is played at these days!
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