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       Re: PlayOffs 2020
   DIR By: rustyref
       Date: July 30, 2020, 6:40 am
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       He's passed the fitness test and is a full time employee of
       PGMOL.  That means is protected by UK employment law and he
       can't be demoted unless they can demonstrate that his
       performance has fallen well below the required standard, and
       that has to be a staged approach following performance
       improvement plans, written warnings, etc.  It is extremely
       difficult to get rid of a full time employee in the UK without
       leaving yourself wide open at an employment tribunal.
       #Post#: 19605--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PlayOffs 2020
   DIR By: emu80
       Date: July 30, 2020, 6:42 am
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       I think he will be demoted and be a full time SG2, problem
       solved.
       #Post#: 19607--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PlayOffs 2020
   DIR By: Hertsref123
       Date: July 30, 2020, 7:59 am
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       What problem are you actually solving though, he’s passed his
       fitness test as rustyref mentions above, and he’s not had any
       major controversies this season as far as i can remember (if he
       has someone correct me). Its extremely rare that a demotion of
       that kind happens, at this level. The last one i can remember
       happening was Attwell, which was done to take him out the
       limelight and help him regain his confidence.
       #Post#: 19608--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PlayOffs 2020
   DIR By: emu80
       Date: July 30, 2020, 8:03 am
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       --- Quote from: Hertsref123 link ---
       >
       > What problem are you actually solving though, he’s passed his
       fitness test as rustyref mentions above, and he’s not had any
       major controversies this season as far as i can remember (if he
       has someone correct me). Its extremely rare that a demotion of
       that kind happens, at this level. The last one i can remember
       happening was Attwell, which was done to take him out the
       limelight and help him regain his confidence.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Could anybody tell me how many premier league middles he has
       done this season ? I doubt it would need both my hands to count.
       #Post#: 19610--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PlayOffs 2020
   DIR By: Hertsref123
       Date: July 30, 2020, 8:16 am
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       --- Quote from: emu80 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Hertsref123 link=topic=1649.msg19607#msg19607
       date=1596113984]
       > What problem are you actually solving though, he’s passed his
       fitness test as rustyref mentions above, and he’s not had any
       major controversies this season as far as i can remember (if he
       has someone correct me). Its extremely rare that a demotion of
       that kind happens, at this level. The last one i can remember
       happening was Attwell, which was done to take him out the
       limelight and help him regain his confidence.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Could anybody tell me how many premier league middles he has
       done this season ? I doubt it would need both my hands to count.
       [/quote]
       11
       #Post#: 19611--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PlayOffs 2020
   DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
       Date: July 30, 2020, 8:21 am
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       --- Quote from: Hendo link ---
       >
       > [quote author=TVOS link=topic=1649.msg19582#msg19582
       date=1596024232]
       > [quote author=emu80 link=topic=1649.msg19575#msg19575
       date=1596018674]
       >
       > Im using that as an example, he missed two blatant send off's
       in that match alone, he has done other matches were errors have
       been made.
       >
       > I would think that Jones will be promoted to SG1 and Salisbury
       (Michael) to SG2, anybody else any thoughts ??
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Every official has done matches where errors have been made.
       [/quote]
       Hackett never did (according to Hackett) 😜
       [/quote]
       K S Hackett.... one of the best officials for strolling around
       the pitch with excessive bulk.
       #Post#: 19612--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PlayOffs 2020
   DIR By: ajb95
       Date: July 30, 2020, 10:55 am
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       --- Quote from: Hertsref123 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=emu80 link=topic=1649.msg19608#msg19608
       date=1596114193]
       > [quote author=Hertsref123 link=topic=1649.msg19607#msg19607
       date=1596113984]
       > What problem are you actually solving though, he’s passed his
       fitness test as rustyref mentions above, and he’s not had any
       major controversies this season as far as i can remember (if he
       has someone correct me). Its extremely rare that a demotion of
       that kind happens, at this level. The last one i can remember
       happening was Attwell, which was done to take him out the
       limelight and help him regain his confidence.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Could anybody tell me how many premier league middles he has
       done this season ? I doubt it would need both my hands to count.
       [/quote]
       11
       [/quote]
       The same number incidentally as Peter Bankes
       #Post#: 19613--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PlayOffs 2020
   DIR By: Readingfan
       Date: July 30, 2020, 11:35 am
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       --- Quote from: rustyref link ---
       >
       > He's passed the fitness test and is a full time employee of
       PGMOL.  That means is protected by UK employment law and he
       can't be demoted unless they can demonstrate that his
       performance has fallen well below the required standard, and
       that has to be a staged approach following performance
       improvement plans, written warnings, etc.  It is extremely
       difficult to get rid of a full time employee in the UK without
       leaving yourself wide open at an employment tribunal.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I'm not disagreeing but it seemed many more were removed 10-20
       years ago. I'd also suggest the PGMO should be structuring
       contracts in such a way that enables them to make demotions
       where relevant, just as football teams can let players go or ITV
       recently demoted Clive Tyldesley, etc. I'm not sure open-ended,
       full-time contracts are sensible.
       #Post#: 19614--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PlayOffs 2020
   DIR By: referee12
       Date: July 30, 2020, 1:27 pm
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       jones for promotion then?
       #Post#: 19615--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PlayOffs 2020
   DIR By: Readingfan
       Date: July 30, 2020, 1:43 pm
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       --- Quote from: referee12 link ---
       >
       > jones for promotion then?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Probably - we don't know!
       Possibly for Robinson/England.
       Maybe an outside chance for a few others.
       Probably not for Ward, Woolmer, Martin, Duncan...
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