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#Post#: 19374--------------------------------------------------
Re: FA Cup Final: Arsenal v Chelsea - Saturday 1st August 2020
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: July 23, 2020, 2:28 am
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--- Quote from: JohnCoyle link ---
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> Arthur G. Kingscott was the last man to referee two FA Cup
Finals, refereeing the 1900 Final (Bury vs. Southampton) and the
1901 Final (Tottenham Hotspur vs. Sheffield United, as well as
the replay).
>
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The precedence has been set then, another in 120 years time...
#Post#: 19378--------------------------------------------------
Re: FA Cup Final: Arsenal v Chelsea - Saturday 1st August 2020
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: July 23, 2020, 3:27 am
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--- Quote from: Irishref1985 link ---
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> Thank God that Mr "I know it all" Hackett was wrong and they
didn't give it to Lee Mason. Now that would have been a
disaster. Taylor would have been my second choice behind Mike
Dean.
>
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Dean, yes, but if they were going to go the route of someone who
had the Final previously, I would have put long-serving refs
like Marriner and Atkinson ahead of Taylor. I don't think he's
been the best in SG1 this season and I'm not sure why having
been in charge of Arsenal v Chelsea in 2017 even though he did
have a good Final would put him in pole position. To be awarded
a second FA Cup Final even in these circumstances is quite an
accolade so I suspect the appointment is more of a signal to all
out there that the FA regard him as our No. 1. If that's the
case, it's tough on Oliver but he's got time on his hands being
6 years younger than Taylor.
Just a thought, but if Taylor is Elleray's choice, Oliver
wouldn't be the first 'Geordie' referee not to win favour. ;)
#Post#: 19404--------------------------------------------------
Re: FA Cup Final: Arsenal v Chelsea - Saturday 1st August 2020
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: July 23, 2020, 11:43 am
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Upon reflection I think a second appointment is regrettable and
that would be my opinion whomsoever was appointed. Bearing in
mind age, I doubt Scott will ever get the Final and so I think
that would have been fairer.
Interesting to see who gets the Championship Play Off Final,
arguably a much bigger and more important match, especially this
year. I would make a modest wager on Oliver
#Post#: 19408--------------------------------------------------
Re: FA Cup Final: Arsenal v Chelsea - Saturday 1st August 2020
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: July 23, 2020, 12:31 pm
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--- Quote from: Ref Fan link ---
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> [quote author=Irishref1985 link=topic=1646.msg19370#msg19370
date=1595461280]
> Thank God that Mr "I know it all" Hackett was wrong and they
didn't give it to Lee Mason. Now that would have been a
disaster. Taylor would have been my second choice behind Mike
Dean.
>
--- End Quote ---
Dean, yes, but if they were going to go the route of someone who
had the Final previously, I would have put long-serving refs
like Marriner and Atkinson ahead of Taylor. I don't think he's
been the best in SG1 this season and I'm not sure why having
been in charge of Arsenal v Chelsea in 2017 even though he did
have a good Final would put him in pole position. To be awarded
a second FA Cup Final even in these circumstances is quite an
accolade so I suspect the appointment is more of a signal to all
out there that the FA regard him as our No. 1. If that's the
case, it's tough on Oliver but he's got time on his hands being
6 years younger than Taylor.
Just a thought, but if Taylor is Elleray's choice, Oliver
wouldn't be the first 'Geordie' referee not to win favour. ;)
[/quote].
Knowing David Elleray slightly, I would have thought Michael
Oliver was precisely the model of referee whom Elleray would
favour. Elleray loathes "flash" and Oliver is just about the
unflashiest referee on the circuit.
I have met both Oliver and Taylor, both are extremely courteous
and dedicated professionals. I would say Oliver's style is quite
reserved and very focussed, Taylor's is more outgoing and
engaging.
#Post#: 19411--------------------------------------------------
Re: FA Cup Final: Arsenal v Chelsea - Saturday 1st August 2020
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: July 23, 2020, 1:15 pm
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
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> [quote author=Ref Fan link=topic=1646.msg19378#msg19378
date=1595492839]
> [quote author=Irishref1985 link=topic=1646.msg19370#msg19370
date=1595461280]
> Thank God that Mr "I know it all" Hackett was wrong and they
didn't give it to Lee Mason. Now that would have been a
disaster. Taylor would have been my second choice behind Mike
Dean.
>
--- End Quote ---
Dean, yes, but if they were going to go the route of someone who
had the Final previously, I would have put long-serving refs
like Marriner and Atkinson ahead of Taylor. I don't think he's
been the best in SG1 this season and I'm not sure why having
been in charge of Arsenal v Chelsea in 2017 even though he did
have a good Final would put him in pole position. To be awarded
a second FA Cup Final even in these circumstances is quite an
accolade so I suspect the appointment is more of a signal to all
out there that the FA regard him as our No. 1. If that's the
case, it's tough on Oliver but he's got time on his hands being
6 years younger than Taylor.
Just a thought, but if Taylor is Elleray's choice, Oliver
wouldn't be the first 'Geordie' referee not to win favour. ;)
[/quote].
Knowing David Elleray slightly, I would have thought Michael
Oliver was precisely the model of referee whom Elleray would
favour. Elleray loathes "flash" and Oliver is just about the
unflashiest referee on the circuit.
I have met both Oliver and Taylor, both are extremely courteous
and dedicated professionals. I would say Oliver's style is quite
reserved and very focussed, Taylor's is more outgoing and
engaging. [/quote]
Thank you for those comments Whistleblower. A very interesting
insight. Your last sentence slightly surprised me initially I
must admit. Would you say Oliver is a little too reserved?
Both talk to players during a game and engage in that sense but
Oliver certainly doesn't make a show of it. I'm not suggesting
he tries to be something he's not, but showing a little
personality can sometimes help I would have thought. (and I
don't mean the Roger Milford variety!)
As for David Elleray, was he one who defended Oliver after the
famous penalty and Buffon incident in Madrid?
#Post#: 19415--------------------------------------------------
Re: FA Cup Final: Arsenal v Chelsea - Saturday 1st August 2020
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: July 23, 2020, 3:58 pm
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Lord Elleray has provoked many discussions on here....
#Post#: 19416--------------------------------------------------
Re: FA Cup Final: Arsenal v Chelsea - Saturday 1st August 2020
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: July 23, 2020, 4:06 pm
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I would say that the best referees officiate in their own style
which carries an integrity within the performance. I am sure
both Oliver and Taylor follow this practice which is why they
are at the top of their profession.
#Post#: 19418--------------------------------------------------
Re: FA Cup Final: Arsenal v Chelsea - Saturday 1st August 2020
DIR By: RCG
Date: July 24, 2020, 2:01 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
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> I would say that the best referees officiate in their own
style which carries an integrity within the performance. I am
sure both Oliver and Taylor follow this practice which is why
they are at the top of their profession.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think this is true to be at the top of the English game. I do
remember listening to Howard Webb speak and talk about how more
demonstrative he had to become on the European/World stage and
had to work hard on using more gestures, facial expressions and
body posture. Taylor IMHO shows more of that in Europe, although
I still believe Oliver is the better decision maker
#Post#: 19673--------------------------------------------------
Re: FA Cup Final: Arsenal v Chelsea - Saturday 1st August 2020
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: August 1, 2020, 11:59 am
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Just a small question.... why is Taylor and his team wearing the
FA and the FIFA badge together?
I thought the FIFA badge supercedes the FA badge in the FA cup?
#Post#: 19675--------------------------------------------------
Re: FA Cup Final: Arsenal v Chelsea - Saturday 1st August 2020
DIR By: RCG
Date: August 1, 2020, 12:13 pm
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Plus with NHS badge, sponsorship, writing to signify occassion,
2 badges etc all referees will soon have to be Hackett size to
allow for space on the shirt😋
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