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#Post#: 19104--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals (Sat 18th & Sun 19th
JUL 2020)
DIR By: reflector
Date: July 15, 2020, 2:59 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> The very high opinion of Jon Moss by the 'Powers that be' is
something that I just have never understood. Nope, can't see it
at all. In another era I would have put him on a par with Brian
Daniels or Ken Baker. Steady enough performers but nothing out
of the ordinary. What the heck do I know.?
>
--- End Quote ---
I have 'liked' this rather than 'agreed' because I am not sure
I'd be quite as generous as Whistleblower. My recollection of
both Messrs Baker and Daniels would put them rather higher in
the pecking order than Jon Moss although I'm pretty sure that
neither ever got as much as a sniff at a semi final, let alone a
final.
#Post#: 19108--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals (Sat 18th & Sun 19th
JUL 2020)
DIR By: RCG
Date: July 15, 2020, 5:14 am
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Daniels and Baker ended up at opposite ends of the assessing
scale. Ken was always very thorough but fair, mentioning things
to generate thought, without it necessarily affecting your mark.
Mr Daniels was very much a member of the "hatchet" brigade, who
enjoyed pointing out areas of weakness and failure, without
always providing a solution
#Post#: 19109--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals (Sat 18th & Sun 19th
JUL 2020)
DIR By: JohnCoyle
Date: July 15, 2020, 5:24 am
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--- Quote from: RCG link ---
>
> Under normal circumstances I kind of agree with you but Madley
has a white badge, Wembley will be empty and the current
versions of the 2 teams are such that its not like doing a
Mourinho XI vs Ferguson XI.
>
> If you were in the running for the final would you prefer to
be missed out to do it in a normal year or grasp it with both
hands?
>
> Attwell with Massey-Ellis plus 1 (unless I have missed the
fact Sian has done it?)
>
--- End Quote ---
Sian Massey-Ellis has not done the FA Cup Final. She lined on
the FA Trophy Final a few years back. She would be the first
woman to officiate at a FA Cup Final. Wendy Toms was on the line
for the League Cup Final back in 2000.
#Post#: 19111--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals (Sat 18th & Sun 19th
JUL 2020)
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: July 15, 2020, 6:43 am
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I think Lee Mason will get the final, or possibly Graham Scott
as an outside bet
I think Pawson/Tierney/Kavanagh/Attwell will be saved for when
fans are back in the stadiums. They've still (hopefully) got
many years left.
#Post#: 19112--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals (Sat 18th & Sun 19th
JUL 2020)
DIR By: JohnCoyle
Date: July 15, 2020, 6:54 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> I think Lee Mason will get the final, or possibly Graham Scott
as an outside bet
>
> I think Pawson/Tierney/Kavanagh/Attwell will be saved for when
fans are back in the stadiums. They've still (hopefully) got
many years left.
>
--- End Quote ---
League Cup and FA Cup in the same season? Not unprecedented-
Alan Wiley certainly did it- but unusual. Although Keith Hackett
seems pretty certain that Mason will get the FA Cup Final.
#Post#: 19113--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals (Sat 18th & Sun 19th
JUL 2020)
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: July 15, 2020, 7:52 am
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--- Quote from: JohnCoyle link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1625.msg19111#msg19111
date=1594813411]
> I think Lee Mason will get the final, or possibly Graham Scott
as an outside bet
>
> I think Pawson/Tierney/Kavanagh/Attwell will be saved for when
fans are back in the stadiums. They've still (hopefully) got
many years left.
>
--- End Quote ---
League Cup and FA Cup in the same season? Not unprecedented-
Alan Wiley certainly did it- but unusual. Although Keith Hackett
seems pretty certain that Mason will get the FA Cup Final.
[/quote]
Wasn't the only reason Alan Wiley did the FA Cup Final in the
same year because Mike Dean was withdrawn, being felt to be too
close geographically to Liverpool?
Interestingly, are Kavanagh, Tierney and Mason all still based
in Greater Manchester although I'm not sure which local
association they are registered with.
Whether there will be a Manchester team in the Final remains to
be seen, and would the location of the referee still be a
consideration anyway? They all referee Manchester teams in the
PL, as does Taylor.
#Post#: 19114--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals (Sat 18th & Sun 19th
JUL 2020)
DIR By: Hendo
Date: July 15, 2020, 8:18 am
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--- Quote from: RCG link ---
>
> Daniels and Baker ended up at opposite ends of the assessing
scale. Ken was always very thorough but fair, mentioning things
to generate thought, without it necessarily affecting your mark.
Mr Daniels was very much a member of the "hatchet" brigade, who
enjoyed pointing out areas of weakness and failure, without
always providing a solution
>
--- End Quote ---
Is that perhaps also indicative of the fact that Mr Baker went
on to become Revd Baker and maybe took a more Christian
approach to his assessing?
#Post#: 19115--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals (Sat 18th & Sun 19th
JUL 2020)
DIR By: RCG
Date: July 15, 2020, 8:30 am
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He was a very gentle, quiet spoken man (in stark contrast to Mr
Daniels)
#Post#: 19116--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals (Sat 18th & Sun 19th
JUL 2020)
DIR By: TVOS
Date: July 15, 2020, 8:37 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Fan link ---
>
> [quote author=JohnCoyle link=topic=1625.msg19112#msg19112
date=1594814057]
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1625.msg19111#msg19111
date=1594813411]
> I think Lee Mason will get the final, or possibly Graham Scott
as an outside bet
>
> I think Pawson/Tierney/Kavanagh/Attwell will be saved for when
fans are back in the stadiums. They've still (hopefully) got
many years left.
>
--- End Quote ---
League Cup and FA Cup in the same season? Not unprecedented-
Alan Wiley certainly did it- but unusual. Although Keith Hackett
seems pretty certain that Mason will get the FA Cup Final.
[/quote]
Wasn't the only reason Alan Wiley did the FA Cup Final in the
same year because Mike Dean was withdrawn, being felt to be too
close geographically to Liverpool?
Interestingly, are Kavanagh, Tierney and Mason all still based
in Greater Manchester although I'm not sure which local
association they are registered with.
Whether there will be a Manchester team in the Final remains to
be seen, and would the location of the referee still be a
consideration anyway? They all referee Manchester teams in the
PL, as does Taylor.
[/quote]
Mason refereed City in the Carabao Cup Final.
#Post#: 19118--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup Semi Finals (Sat 18th & Sun 19th
JUL 2020)
DIR By: OwdReds
Date: July 15, 2020, 8:48 am
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Based on his food deliveries during lockdown, Chris Kavanagh is
based in Lancashire. He may still be registered with Manchester
FA though.
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