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#Post#: 18911--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it time for Riley to go?
DIR By: Mackem ref
Date: July 10, 2020, 5:16 pm
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Just a thought but does it necessarily need to be a former
referee? Why not find a top man-manager to come and motivate a
group of referees who have become complacent?
The thing that sticks in my throat with the Riley era is that
some refs can perform dreadfully for a couple of matches in a
row and still get a top game regardless, whereas other refs
(when given their rare opportunities) can have a decent game and
yet won’t be seen again for weeks. Clear favouritism!
As for his implementation of VAR........
#Post#: 18913--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it time for Riley to go?
DIR By: bmb
Date: July 10, 2020, 5:21 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=Bielsa’s Bucket
link=topic=1610.msg18905#msg18905 date=1594415060]
> I think it’s time for him to step down standards are nowhere
near the level they should be. The running of VAR is a prime
example of this. It has been nothing short of an absolute
embarrassment. One of if not the best league in the world and
some of the worst officials. The appointments are a prime
example of this absolutely shambolic. I think they need a well
respected ex official someone like Webb but he’s unlikely to
with his role in the MLS. Or another option could be Mark Halsey
someone who was very well respected by fans, managers and
players alike and who has previously said on Twitter he would
consider taking the role if offered.
>
--- End Quote ---
After the public attacks Halsey has made on some of the SG1
referees there is absolutely zero chance of him getting the role
should it ever become available, even less so since he teamed up
with Keith Hackett to continually criticise PGMOL.
[/quote]
Have to agree with that! He has burned his bridges with way too
many people with that.
I'd be tempted to appoint someone foreign like Kyros Vassaras
(sorry Romania...) who would not be intimidated by the PL
shareholders. That is one of the biggest problems faced by
whoever takes the role, if and when it becomes available, over
the years Sky & the PL shareholders have been and still are
allowed too much say. If they jump up and down and cry about too
many penalties for pushing, out comes a directive telling the
refs to ignore all but the worst ones, they cry about shirt
pulling being ignored then out comes a directive saying punish
every single one - maybe a slight exaggeration there but only
slight! The PGMOL needs to be made 100% independent of the PL
and the 'rights' of the PL shareholders and Sky TV to have any
say in refereeing matters taken away - until it is then things
won't really change whoever is in charge. Their hands are tied
from Day 1 because the wants of Sky and the PL shareholders are
given too much weight.
#Post#: 18915--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it time for Riley to go?
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: July 10, 2020, 5:27 pm
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Apart from anything else, Mike Riley has now been doing the job
over 10 years. How many leaders in any industry successfully
hold the same position for more than 10 years? How many people
in football are in the same position as they were 10 years ago?
I think there are clear signs the whole thing needs freshening
up and new ideas brought in. I think it extends beyond just
Riley though. The whole communication process of the PGMO seems
very outdated now - when you look at something like Howard Webb
in America where he's done loads of lengthy interviews and
podcasts, and they have Inside Video Review every week talking
through decisions and letting you hear the VAR audio. We just
get Dermot Gallagher saying 'The referee didn't think it was and
the VAR didn't come in for whatever reason'.
#Post#: 18916--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it time for Riley to go?
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: July 10, 2020, 5:31 pm
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Why was there a rush last night to say those decisions were
wrong? I didn't notice any immediate statement after Spurs got
their "handball" goal aginst West Ham a few weeks back which was
clearly wrong?
What needs to happen is for the conversation between referee and
VAR to be made audible (as with cricket and rugby) so that
everybody knows what is being looked and why and then why the
decision is either upheld or overturned.
#Post#: 18919--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it time for Riley to go?
DIR By: bmb
Date: July 10, 2020, 5:51 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> Apart from anything else, Mike Riley has now been doing the
job over 10 years. How many leaders in any industry successfully
hold the same position for more than 10 years? How many people
in football are in the same position as they were 10 years ago?
>
> I think there are clear signs the whole thing needs freshening
up and new ideas brought in. I think it extends beyond just
Riley though. The whole communication process of the PGMO seems
very outdated now - when you look at something like Howard Webb
in America where he's done loads of lengthy interviews and
podcasts, and they have Inside Video Review every week talking
through decisions and letting you hear the VAR audio. We just
get Dermot Gallagher saying 'The referee didn't think it was and
the VAR didn't come in for whatever reason'.
>
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Sándor Puhl - 20 years as referee manager! We desperately need a
change and someone younger and more dynamic taking over. Mr
Puhl's time has been and gone, it has become stale under his
leadership, the game is vastly different to what it was when he
first took over and our training etc is so outdated now. Not his
fault, there have been too many changes and he has become stuck
in a rut but it is time for him to say I have done all I can,
it's my time to go and sit with my feet up outside a condo at
Lake Balaton and enjoy a pálinka or 10 while watching the
sunset, someone else can deal with this mess!
I made a comment on twitter the other day about how refreshing
to was to see a head of refereeing engaging so openly and
frankly with the press last week in relation to Kassai Viktor.
There were 2 interviews, one dealing with a specific
controversial decision and another explaining the whole process
of game allocation with internal criteria explained etc. Like
with Howard Webb a complete contrast and so refreshing.
Trotting out a respected ex ref to make bland statements that
conform to the official line is no better than respected ex refs
slating anything and everything to do with the current
regime/officials. Howard & Viktor are both addressing it in what
I think is a great way. People will listen, some will just slate
them for it others will learn from it and gain some
understanding and others will respect them for it purely because
they have not just sat in the ivory tower with their head buried
in the sand.
#Post#: 18928--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it time for Riley to go?
DIR By: ajb95
Date: July 11, 2020, 5:38 am
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I think we are now seeing the problems with having referees paid
for and trained by an independent profit organisation. The
standards have been slipping for quite some time but the FA and
the referees themselves can’t do anything because the premier
league pays their wages. Needs to go back to FA appointing
#Post#: 18932--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it time for Riley to go?
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: July 11, 2020, 6:28 am
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I don't pretend to know how effective or otherwise Mike Riley is
at managing his referees, although the indications are not
particularly encouraging. Watching that video in the opening
post though reminded me how poor he was at managing players. I
was at that game, and while Arsenal were no angels, I was
embarrassed at what my team got away with that day.
It always seemed to me that Riley's lack of presence, stature or
personality on the field made it more difficult for him to
control, or win the respect of, players. Even strong referees
like Clattenburg can find it tough in those sort of matches as
was shown in the Spurs v Chelsea game a few seasons ago. These
days, referees appear to be discouraged from expressing
personality; rapport with players is not like it was with some
of the referees in the past and it's less common - at least in
the PL - to see referees smile. Body language I would have
thought could play a useful part in managing a game. Whether
that would change with a different leader can't be taken for
granted.
Nevertheless, personally I really do believe it's time for a
change at the top of the PL, which was the question raised in
the thread.
#Post#: 18934--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it time for Riley to go?
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: July 11, 2020, 6:58 am
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Maybe somewhat out of left field but going with bmb’s suggestion
of an outsider I am going to put forward Mark Geiger
(hypothetically assuming he would be interested in relocating).
He has a senior management position with PRO so clearly has a
desire/aptitude for that kind of thing (he was previously school
teacher!!).
He also ticks the box of having top class experience having
officiated at two world cups and, very importantly, he has used
and was involved in then very early stages of VAR so has a
thorough understanding of the system and how it’s best
implemented.
As I say somewhat hypothetical and maybe an odd suggestion but I
think as bmb said having a total outsider could help
#Post#: 18935--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it time for Riley to go?
DIR By: Leggy
Date: July 11, 2020, 7:23 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=1610.msg18908#msg18908
date=1594416610]
> [quote author=Bielsa’s Bucket
link=topic=1610.msg18905#msg18905 date=1594415060]
> I think it’s time for him to step down standards are nowhere
near the level they should be. The running of VAR is a prime
example of this. It has been nothing short of an absolute
embarrassment. One of if not the best league in the world and
some of the worst officials. The appointments are a prime
example of this absolutely shambolic. I think they need a well
respected ex official someone like Webb but he’s unlikely to
with his role in the MLS. Or another option could be Mark Halsey
someone who was very well respected by fans, managers and
players alike and who has previously said on Twitter he would
consider taking the role if offered.
>
--- End Quote ---
After the public attacks Halsey has made on some of the SG1
referees there is absolutely zero chance of him getting the role
should it ever become available, even less so since he teamed up
with Keith Hackett to continually criticise PGMOL.
[/quote]
Have to agree with that! He has burned his bridges with way too
many people with that.
I'd be tempted to appoint someone foreign like Kyros Vassaras
(sorry Romania...) who would not be intimidated by the PL
shareholders. That is one of the biggest problems faced by
whoever takes the role, if and when it becomes available, over
the years Sky & the PL shareholders have been and still are
allowed too much say. If they jump up and down and cry about too
many penalties for pushing, out comes a directive telling the
refs to ignore all but the worst ones, they cry about shirt
pulling being ignored then out comes a directive saying punish
every single one - maybe a slight exaggeration there but only
slight! The PGMOL needs to be made 100% independent of the PL
and the 'rights' of the PL shareholders and Sky TV to have any
say in refereeing matters taken away - until it is then things
won't really change whoever is in charge. Their hands are tied
from Day 1 because the wants of Sky and the PL shareholders are
given too much weight.
[/quote]
Correct - the shareholders of PGMOL create a fundamental and -
as they currently stand - unresolvable conflict of interest.
Nothing will change, regardless of who is in charge unless this
changes. Riley is doing what his paymasters want him to do. A
replacement will be required to do the same. Why do you think
they got rid of Phil Don?
#Post#: 18941--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it time for Riley to go?
DIR By: dave26
Date: July 11, 2020, 9:22 am
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I would love to see Pierluigi Collina replace Riley but in all
seriousness when Riley is eventually replaced if it isn’t a ex
ref from this country then I think we could see the biggest
shakeup ever and rightly so
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