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Re: J MOSS - Aston Villa v Man U
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: July 10, 2020, 3:19 am
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You do not need BBC to confirm three VAR errors made last night.
What is going on at Stockley Park? Too much pressure to come up
with a speedy decision? Heads must roll and indeed VAR officials
suspended as these decisions are potentially costly in terms of
place money and of course relegation. Do we really have to
introduce say 1 appeal a match because someone cannot see a
push?
#Post#: 18852--------------------------------------------------
Re: J MOSS - Aston Villa v Man U
DIR By: nemesis
Date: July 10, 2020, 6:30 am
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--- Quote from: They Are Getting Worse link ---
>
> [quote author=TheThingFromLewes
link=topic=1606.msg18827#msg18827 date=1594324228]
> Oh dear, the curse of Moss strikes again. A very debatable
penalty decision on Fernandes, even worse by VAR backing it up.
>
> How is that more of a penalty than the push on the Bournemouth
game.
>
--- End Quote ---
This one involves Manchester United, their THIRTEENTH penalty of
the league season. Truly staggering how they've decided that is
a penalty, Fernandes creates the contact, just as he did at
Tottenham the other week and most other weeks. Have officials
not cussed him out yet? Do they not have the bottle?
[/quote]
The cussing comes afterwards when they see their mistake
replayed later.
Or do they really care ? I'm not sure they do.
#Post#: 18856--------------------------------------------------
Re: J MOSS - Aston Villa v Man U
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: July 10, 2020, 7:23 am
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--- Quote from: reflector link ---
>
> VAR was never meant to be like this and what many of us felt
were initial teething troubles which would be quickly ironed out
seem to just keep happening. There's the usual silence from
those meant to be in charge but it is to be hoped that the
continuing problems are being dealt with so that the system
becomes what was originally intended and that is to assist
referees in achieving BETTER decision making rather than
creating more controversy. Or does nobody in authority really
care?
>
> One change which I would make as soon as it could be put in
place would be to scrap the system of current members of the SG
acting as VAR assistants and introduce a panel of experienced
former officials, especially trained and whose VAR duties are
their sole responsibility. Oh and while they are about it find
someone to do the appointments of match officials who could
fathom out how to do it so that the same officials, on field and
VAR, didn't keep handling games involving the same clubs week in
and week out!
>
--- End Quote ---
It's been suggested before but how well it would work I'm not so
sure.
It seems to me that this season quite a few of the best VARs
have been those who also do it on the UEFA games - Attwell,
Pawson, Tierney (when he's not missing goals.)
When you see Peter Walton on BT calling most things wrong each
week, I'm not sure the likes of him suddenly coming back would
magically solve everything. I appreciate there'd be more
training involved and they might make different decisions if in
a VAR position.
One of the worst VAR decisions I've seen was by Lee Probert in a
Fulham FA Cup tie (against Oldham?) when he allowed Anthony
Taylor to award Fulham a penalty for what looked a clear act of
simulation but he's someone people frequently say should be used
as a VAR. has he improved that much on that performance?
Graham Scott will quite possibly retire at some point quite soon
but he was the VAR last night. Is he suddenly going to become
better if he's no longer refereeing?
Where I do agree with you is just because someone's a Premier
League referee doesn't mean they should automatically be a
Premier League VAR. I think a list should be compiled of the
best ones (including some of the younger ones I've mentioned
above) and others should no longer be used in that role, with
officials from elsewhere being given VAR opportunities instead.
#Post#: 18858--------------------------------------------------
Re: J MOSS - Aston Villa v Man U
DIR By: ajb95
Date: July 10, 2020, 8:05 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=reflector link=topic=1606.msg18837#msg18837
date=1594364928]
> VAR was never meant to be like this and what many of us felt
were initial teething troubles which would be quickly ironed out
seem to just keep happening. There's the usual silence from
those meant to be in charge but it is to be hoped that the
continuing problems are being dealt with so that the system
becomes what was originally intended and that is to assist
referees in achieving BETTER decision making rather than
creating more controversy. Or does nobody in authority really
care?
>
> One change which I would make as soon as it could be put in
place would be to scrap the system of current members of the SG
acting as VAR assistants and introduce a panel of experienced
former officials, especially trained and whose VAR duties are
their sole responsibility. Oh and while they are about it find
someone to do the appointments of match officials who could
fathom out how to do it so that the same officials, on field and
VAR, didn't keep handling games involving the same clubs week in
and week out!
>
--- End Quote ---
It's been suggested before but how well it would work I'm not so
sure.
It seems to me that this season quite a few of the best VARs
have been those who also do it on the UEFA games - Attwell,
Pawson, Tierney (when he's not missing goals.)
When you see Peter Walton on BT calling most things wrong each
week, I'm not sure the likes of him suddenly coming back would
magically solve everything. I appreciate there'd be more
training involved and they might make different decisions if in
a VAR position.
One of the worst VAR decisions I've seen was by Lee Probert in a
Fulham FA Cup tie (against Oldham?) when he allowed Anthony
Taylor to award Fulham a penalty for what looked a clear act of
simulation but he's someone people frequently say should be used
as a VAR. has he improved that much on that performance?
Graham Scott will quite possibly retire at some point quite soon
but he was the VAR last night. Is he suddenly going to become
better if he's no longer refereeing?
Where I do agree with you is just because someone's a Premier
League referee doesn't mean they should automatically be a
Premier League VAR. I think a list should be compiled of the
best ones (including some of the younger ones I've mentioned
above) and others should no longer be used in that role, with
officials from elsewhere being given VAR opportunities instead.
[/quote]
Or just admit the “test” has been a shambolic failure and scrap
it all!
#Post#: 18860--------------------------------------------------
Re: J MOSS - Aston Villa v Man U
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: July 10, 2020, 8:11 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1606.msg18856#msg18856
date=1594383785]
> [quote author=reflector link=topic=1606.msg18837#msg18837
date=1594364928]
> VAR was never meant to be like this and what many of us felt
were initial teething troubles which would be quickly ironed out
seem to just keep happening. There's the usual silence from
those meant to be in charge but it is to be hoped that the
continuing problems are being dealt with so that the system
becomes what was originally intended and that is to assist
referees in achieving BETTER decision making rather than
creating more controversy. Or does nobody in authority really
care?
>
> One change which I would make as soon as it could be put in
place would be to scrap the system of current members of the SG
acting as VAR assistants and introduce a panel of experienced
former officials, especially trained and whose VAR duties are
their sole responsibility. Oh and while they are about it find
someone to do the appointments of match officials who could
fathom out how to do it so that the same officials, on field and
VAR, didn't keep handling games involving the same clubs week in
and week out!
>
--- End Quote ---
It's been suggested before but how well it would work I'm not so
sure.
It seems to me that this season quite a few of the best VARs
have been those who also do it on the UEFA games - Attwell,
Pawson, Tierney (when he's not missing goals.)
When you see Peter Walton on BT calling most things wrong each
week, I'm not sure the likes of him suddenly coming back would
magically solve everything. I appreciate there'd be more
training involved and they might make different decisions if in
a VAR position.
One of the worst VAR decisions I've seen was by Lee Probert in a
Fulham FA Cup tie (against Oldham?) when he allowed Anthony
Taylor to award Fulham a penalty for what looked a clear act of
simulation but he's someone people frequently say should be used
as a VAR. has he improved that much on that performance?
Graham Scott will quite possibly retire at some point quite soon
but he was the VAR last night. Is he suddenly going to become
better if he's no longer refereeing?
Where I do agree with you is just because someone's a Premier
League referee doesn't mean they should automatically be a
Premier League VAR. I think a list should be compiled of the
best ones (including some of the younger ones I've mentioned
above) and others should no longer be used in that role, with
officials from elsewhere being given VAR opportunities instead.
[/quote]
Or just admit the “test” has been a shambolic failure and scrap
it all!
[/quote]
Sadly, it is originally FIFA's baby and I reckon that we are
stuck with it!
#Post#: 18866--------------------------------------------------
Re: J MOSS - Aston Villa v Man U
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: July 10, 2020, 9:22 am
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Scrapping VAR will solve very little - we'll still have loads of
bad decisions, probably more than now!
#Post#: 18873--------------------------------------------------
Re: J MOSS - Aston Villa v Man U
DIR By: bmb
Date: July 10, 2020, 9:55 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> Scrapping VAR will solve very little - we'll still have loads
of bad decisions, probably more than now!
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
My ideal, and I know I am alone in this, would be AARs combined
with GLT. AARs work well overall in the NBI because they are
used week in week out and they are experienced in it. As
referees themselves they know where the blindspots in the
penalty area are for the referee and they pay particular
attention to these areas. It has evolved and improved over time.
There is a subtle signal system in place including indications
for goal kick/corner. It's not perfect but there are less
mistakes. The rare times that is does fail completely seem to be
either a ball missed over the line - because the AAR is watching
out in the penalty box for a foul on the ref's blindside and not
along the goal line to see if the ball goes over or a missed
foul on the blindside of the referee because they are watching
along the line for the ball to cross it! That's why I say they'd
be best combined with GLT - take that part away from the AAR and
have them purely as the referees mirror image view into the
penalty area.
#Post#: 18875--------------------------------------------------
Re: J MOSS - Aston Villa v Man U
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: July 10, 2020, 10:06 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> Scrapping VAR will solve very little - we'll still have loads
of bad decisions, probably more than now!
>
--- End Quote ---
In view of this, when are we going to see the perfect game of
football anywhere in the world with decisions 100% correct?
I am not interested in the players getting it 100% correct
because that will never happen.
I am interested so that I can see if I can get a bet on which
may make some money before I cease this mortal coil.
#Post#: 18902--------------------------------------------------
Re: J MOSS - Aston Villa v Man U
DIR By: guest379
Date: July 10, 2020, 3:46 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=reflector link=topic=1606.msg18837#msg18837
date=1594364928]
> VAR was never meant to be like this and what many of us felt
were initial teething troubles which would be quickly ironed out
seem to just keep happening. There's the usual silence from
those meant to be in charge but it is to be hoped that the
continuing problems are being dealt with so that the system
becomes what was originally intended and that is to assist
referees in achieving BETTER decision making rather than
creating more controversy. Or does nobody in authority really
care?
>
> One change which I would make as soon as it could be put in
place would be to scrap the system of current members of the SG
acting as VAR assistants and introduce a panel of experienced
former officials, especially trained and whose VAR duties are
their sole responsibility. Oh and while they are about it find
someone to do the appointments of match officials who could
fathom out how to do it so that the same officials, on field and
VAR, didn't keep handling games involving the same clubs week in
and week out!
>
--- End Quote ---
It seems to me that this season quite a few of the best VARs
have been those who also do it on the UEFA games - Attwell,
Pawson, Tierney (when he's not missing goals.)
[/quote]
Stuart Atwell was in charge of VAR on Tuesday Arsenal-Leicester,
where he took over 3 minutes looking at replays of Nketiah's
challenge, somehow deciding it was inconclusive. It took
Kavanagh going across to take 1 look and seeing it was correctly
a red card. So Attwell is no better than the rest of them.
Tierney couldn't spot a ball was a yard over the line and didn't
have the bottle to tell Michael Oliver quite simply.
#Post#: 18904--------------------------------------------------
Re: J MOSS - Aston Villa v Man U
DIR By: guest379
Date: July 10, 2020, 3:48 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=They Are Getting Worse
link=topic=1606.msg18832#msg18832 date=1594326005]
> [quote author=dtrv2 link=topic=1606.msg18831#msg18831
date=1594325814]
> Can totally understand why Moss gave it at full speed, but
can't understand how anyone can look at those replays and think
that's a penalty.
>
> If anything, it is bordering on SFP by Fernandes for going
studs in on the defender. Completely accidental, but we've
already seen one red this week for a completely accidental SFP
challenge.
>
--- End Quote ---
A great point, it's an accidental but similar incident to the
Nketiah one on Tuesday. But this is for Manchester United I
guess, that's my only rationale...
[/quote]
How was the nketiah challenge accidental?
[/quote]
Nketiah blatantly didn't mean harm is what I meant, it was a
poor challenge (the wrong way to go in to block a ball) and
endangered the opponent so had to be a red. But he did not
intend to do it, was my meaning.
For me Fernandes therefore comes into that category, and once
more in a United shirt he is very, very, very lucky.
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