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#Post#: 18630--------------------------------------------------
Hull V Middlesbrough - Geoff Eltringham
DIR By: Carter
Date: July 2, 2020, 1:14 pm
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Am I missing something?
The 'five-substitute rule' is a temporary change to the maximum
number of substitutes a team is permitted to make during a game,
increasing the number from three to five.
In addition, the Premier League has increased the maximum number
of substitutes permitted to sit on the bench from seven to nine.
However, while the total number of substitutions possible in a
game is now 10 instead of six, managers will only be allowed to
make changes at three points in the game.
The idea behind limiting the number of stoppages for
substitutions is to reduce the level of disruption in a match,
something that could in theory be exploited.
Hull made 3 single substitutions, then a further involving two
players, or does this only apply to the Premier League?
#Post#: 18631--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hull V Middlesbrough - Geoff Eltringham
DIR By: greeny
Date: July 2, 2020, 1:18 pm
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As I understand it, it is three stoppages in play for subs, so
if one of the subs was at half time, that does not count towards
the three stoppages - the same thing has happened in premier
league matches.
#Post#: 18632--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hull V Middlesbrough - Geoff Eltringham
DIR By: Carter
Date: July 2, 2020, 1:20 pm
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Thanks, that clears that one up then, yes one of the subs was at
half time
#Post#: 18690--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hull V Middlesbrough - Geoff Eltringham
DIR By: nemesis
Date: July 6, 2020, 6:32 am
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--- Quote from: greeny link ---
>
> As I understand it, it is three stoppages in play for subs, so
if one of the subs was at half time, that does not count towards
the three stoppages - the same thing has happened in premier
league matches.
>
--- End Quote ---
Not sure why they don't allow them in the drinks break?
Wonder how many of these "temporary" changes we'll be stuck with
?
#Post#: 18691--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hull V Middlesbrough - Geoff Eltringham
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: July 6, 2020, 7:31 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=greeny link=topic=1590.msg18631#msg18631
date=1593713929]
> As I understand it, it is three stoppages in play for subs, so
if one of the subs was at half time, that does not count towards
the three stoppages - the same thing has happened in premier
league matches.
>
--- End Quote ---
Not sure why they don't allow them in the drinks break?
Wonder how many of these "temporary" changes we'll be stuck with
?
[/quote]
I'm not 100% certain but I think the 5 substitutions was a
change made by IFAB, whereas the drink breaks are at a more
local level.
I think leagues/competitions are allowed to use 5 substitutions
until the end of next season at the moment, although I'd be
happy if it stopped at the end of this.
I hope the drink breaks don't continue. I'm not sure they'd work
too well with fans in the ground either, apart from very hot
temperatures.
#Post#: 18692--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hull V Middlesbrough - Geoff Eltringham
DIR By: bmb
Date: July 6, 2020, 10:51 am
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The mandatory drinks breaks were agreed during the meetings with
UEFA as part of the health & safety for players upon football
returning. The UK is probably the only place that doesn't need
them as much as the rest of Europe! During the last week of our
league it was still 29°+ in Budapest at 9/10pm, Greece was 35°
during late afternoon/evening games. Serbia, Slovakia & Romania
were also 30°+ late afternoon. Evening games were 9 or 10pm kick
off times, one our cup games finished at gone midnight due to
extra time & there were some fans in the ground - none
complained! None of the fans in any of those countries even bat
an eye over water breaks, they certainly don't complain about
them and I don't expect anywhere else does either.
#Post#: 18693--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hull V Middlesbrough - Geoff Eltringham
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: July 6, 2020, 11:00 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> The mandatory drinks breaks were agreed during the meetings
with UEFA as part of the health & safety for players upon
football returning. The UK is probably the only place that
doesn't need them as much as the rest of Europe! During the last
week of our league it was still 29°+ in Budapest at 9/10pm,
Greece was 35° during late afternoon/evening games. Serbia,
Slovakia & Romania were also 30°+ late afternoon. Evening games
were 9 or 10pm kick off times, one our cup games finished at
gone midnight due to extra time & there were some fans in the
ground - none complained! None of the fans in any of those
countries even bat an eye over water breaks, they certainly
don't complain about them and I don't expect anywhere else does
either.
>
--- End Quote ---
Obviously the drink breaks are reasonable in that weather (and
probably in any weather at the moment considering players are
playing every 3 days or so after not having played for 3
months.) But do we need them in the UK when it's pouring with
rain in the middle of November and we're following a normal
schedule? Probably not.
A sensible solution would seem to be what they've done at the
last few World Cups - if the temperature reaches a certain level
then a drink break is scheduled for that individual match.
#Post#: 18698--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hull V Middlesbrough - Geoff Eltringham
DIR By: reflector
Date: July 6, 2020, 4:40 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=1590.msg18692#msg18692
date=1594050704]
> The mandatory drinks breaks were agreed during the meetings
with UEFA as part of the health & safety for players upon
football returning. The UK is probably the only place that
doesn't need them as much as the rest of Europe! During the last
week of our league it was still 29°+ in Budapest at 9/10pm,
Greece was 35° during late afternoon/evening games. Serbia,
Slovakia & Romania were also 30°+ late afternoon. Evening games
were 9 or 10pm kick off times, one our cup games finished at
gone midnight due to extra time & there were some fans in the
ground - none complained! None of the fans in any of those
countries even bat an eye over water breaks, they certainly
don't complain about them and I don't expect anywhere else does
either.
>
--- End Quote ---
Obviously the drink breaks are reasonable in that weather (and
probably in any weather at the moment considering players are
playing every 3 days or so after not having played for 3
months.) But do we need them in the UK when it's pouring with
rain in the middle of November and we're following a normal
schedule? Probably not.
A sensible solution would seem to be what they've done at the
last few World Cups - if the temperature reaches a certain level
then a drink break is scheduled for that individual match.
[/quote]
A very sensible suggestion. We have had one or two days with us
when hot soup might have been the appropriate drink!
#Post#: 18699--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hull V Middlesbrough - Geoff Eltringham
DIR By: QuoCob
Date: July 6, 2020, 6:01 pm
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The weather isn't the deciding factor for taking on fluids, even
in inclement weather players still need to take on liquids to
re-hydrate. They do already throughout a game, the current
'drinks breaks' just formalises that process.
#Post#: 18701--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hull V Middlesbrough - Geoff Eltringham
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: July 7, 2020, 4:45 am
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--- Quote from: QuoCob link ---
>
> The weather isn't the deciding factor for taking on fluids,
even in inclement weather players still need to take on liquids
to re-hydrate. They do already throughout a game, the current
'drinks breaks' just formalises that process.
>
--- End Quote ---
We've coped for decades without formalising it so I don't see
the need to do so now. As you say, most players manage to have a
drink at some point in the game (injury, substitution, a 3 month
VAR review...). The current stoppages seem more for tactics than
re-hydration and they just kill the flow of matches - and even
worse, the time lost is rarely added on by the match officials.
As the cliche goes, 'it's a game of two halves' - not four
quarters!
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