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Re: The fear of being wrong by V.A.Referee
DIR By: Leggy
Date: June 30, 2020, 2:06 am
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> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=1574.msg18522#msg18522
date=1593452120]
> The way football's use of VAR seems to me (at least in theory)
to be a bit different to most other sports. In rugby, it seems
the referee can opt out of making a decision initially and just
ask the TMO to check, whereas in football the procedure is they
should actively make a decision first (either way) and then VAR
checks everything and overrules if wrong.
>
> I'm sure some of the poorer/weaker officials do make
non-decisions in the belief VAR can bail them out if wrong but
let's remember plenty of mistakes were made before VAR so I
doubt this is the case every time. Some referees just miss quite
a lot!
>
> It would be interesting I suppose to hear what the error rate
for KMI decisions was this season before VAR intervention and
how it compared to the KMI errors last year without VAR (I think
it was around 82% accuracy in the PL last year?)
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I don't know what the procedure is in Rugby Union because I have
no interest in that aspect of rugby, however, In Rugby League
the referee makes his decision and indicates on the field
whether he thinks it is a try or not an asks the TMO to check
various aspects. It is then dependent on whether or not the TMO
can see anything concrete to overrule the original decision. In
the NRL in Australia they have also introduced a Captain's
Challenge where the skipper of each side can challenge ONE
onfield decision per match, if he wins the challenge it retains
the opportunity to challenge again, however, if he loses the
challenge then that is the end of it. Certainly seems to work
very well and is amusing to hear the ref getting a bit of grief,
smiling at the player and asking if he wishes to challenge and
grinning broadly when the player shakes his head.
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The NRL's "Captain's Challenge" is also used (in one form or
another) in Cricket and Hockey. It creates a "put up of shut up
moment" with dissent. Football should adopt it.
#Post#: 18552--------------------------------------------------
Re: The fear of being wrong by V.A.Referee
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: June 30, 2020, 7:13 am
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> Rugby union is similar on tries. Onfield decision is
communicated, TMO must then have clear evidence to change/over
rule
> I am still a big fan of the "moving check" where referees ask
TMO to check something whilst game is in motion. If there is,
this is reviewed at next stoppage. If not, game goes on with ref
saying "we have checked it, get on with it"
> Not 100% but in the main decisions are made correctly. Much
more of an emphasis on the on field officials to make a
decision.
> 95+/100 as you listen to the ref explain it, they have got it
right first viewing.
>
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That process is quite similar to what happens in football.
The slight difference to me seems to be that in football the
referee always has to make a decision and everything related to
the reviewable incidents gets reviewed whereas it seems in rugby
it's a bit more selective what goes to the TMO. And with most
red card incidnets I've seen in rugby it feels the referee/TMO
will nearly always look at it on the screen before making a
decision.
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