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#Post#: 17824--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
DIR By: bmb
Date: June 6, 2020, 4:50 pm
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--- Quote from: AFAref link ---
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> [quote author=bmb link=topic=1491.msg17817#msg17817
date=1591447036]
> We may have smaller crowds in general but they can be very
noisy!
>
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Especially when they all stand together at a Cup Final!
[/quote]
Yeah there were about 100 odd ultras behind each goal who didn't
bother with the whole social distancing at the Kupa final! The
other 10,000 at the game who were sat down each side of the
pitch however did, mostly.
Observed in all the non ultras sectors again today. The ultra
sectors well, as with the cup final it was non existent!
Actually that's unfair, the Paks ultras were ace with it and oh
my were they loud! 2 young ladies with drums, 5/6 seats apart
and they did not stop. The other 5 sets of ultras however
completely ignored it.
#Post#: 17825--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
DIR By: flipmode
Date: June 6, 2020, 9:03 pm
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
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> [quote author=flipmode link=topic=1491.msg17800#msg17800
date=1591320409]
> The thing for me is the total lack of competition integrity
here. How is it fair, and where is the integrity, of increasing
substitutions mid way through the season? We're ending with a
competition that never started, and that just isn't fair across
the board.
>
--- End Quote ---
What would you think if another club was top of the table, say
Man City, for example?
[/quote]
Exactly the same, 1,000%! I've been unwavering in my views that
human life is worth way more than a Premier League title, and
have been vocal in my thoughts that Liverpool should have been
awarded the title long before the stage we're at now. The fact
you think I'd be any different if my team we're top of the
league is, quite frankly, crass.
#Post#: 17826--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
DIR By: Maltese Falcon
Date: June 7, 2020, 12:07 am
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--- Quote from: flipmode link ---
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> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=1491.msg17805#msg17805
date=1591364789]
> [quote author=flipmode link=topic=1491.msg17800#msg17800
date=1591320409]
> The thing for me is the total lack of competition integrity
here. How is it fair, and where is the integrity, of increasing
substitutions mid way through the season? We're ending with a
competition that never started, and that just isn't fair across
the board.
>
--- End Quote ---
What would you think if another club was top of the table, say
Man City, for example?
[/quote]
Exactly the same, 1,000%! I've been unwavering in my views that
human life is worth way more than a Premier League title, and
have been vocal in my thoughts that Liverpool should have been
awarded the title long before the stage we're at now. The fact
you think I'd be any different if my team we're top of the
league is, quite frankly, crass.
[/quote]
Given the extensive testing regime being undertaken, we are
obviously past the 'human life' argument ... the EPL matches
will be safer than going to the supermarket, park etc.
Which brings us to the competition integrity argument. On that
point, whilst the tweaks to the playing conditions are
unhelpful, it still seems way more 'in the spirit of the game'
to complete the season on the pitch rather than just 'fill in
the gaps' of the unplayed games with some version of PPG?
#Post#: 17827--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
DIR By: TVOS
Date: June 7, 2020, 1:53 am
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--- Quote from: flipmode link ---
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> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=1491.msg17805#msg17805
date=1591364789]
> [quote author=flipmode link=topic=1491.msg17800#msg17800
date=1591320409]
> The thing for me is the total lack of competition integrity
here. How is it fair, and where is the integrity, of increasing
substitutions mid way through the season? We're ending with a
competition that never started, and that just isn't fair across
the board.
>
--- End Quote ---
What would you think if another club was top of the table, say
Man City, for example?
[/quote]
Exactly the same, 1,000%! I've been unwavering in my views that
human life is worth way more than a Premier League title, and
have been vocal in my thoughts that Liverpool should have been
awarded the title long before the stage we're at now. The fact
you think I'd be any different if my team we're top of the
league is, quite frankly, crass.
[/quote]
It wasn’t meant to be crass, it was a genuine question, because
some football fans and clubs are being particularly selfish at
this time. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
#Post#: 17836--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: June 7, 2020, 9:04 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
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> [quote author=AFAref link=topic=1491.msg17820#msg17820
date=1591463496]
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=1491.msg17817#msg17817
date=1591447036]
> We may have smaller crowds in general but they can be very
noisy!
>
--- End Quote ---
Especially when they all stand together at a Cup Final!
[/quote]
Yeah there were about 100 odd ultras behind each goal who didn't
bother with the whole social distancing at the Kupa final! The
other 10,000 at the game who were sat down each side of the
pitch however did, mostly.
Observed in all the non ultras sectors again today. The ultra
sectors well, as with the cup final it was non existent!
Actually that's unfair, the Paks ultras were ace with it and oh
my were they loud! 2 young ladies with drums, 5/6 seats apart
and they did not stop. The other 5 sets of ultras however
completely ignored it.
[/quote]
And that is my concern. If thousands can be allowed to crowd
together unchallenged to protest this weekend (and I've no views
on the validity of the protest), then why should we not suppose
that a few hundred or more Liverpool fans will gather late night
on Wednesday 24th June when their PL title is confirmed after
the game v Palace?
#Post#: 17842--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
DIR By: bmb
Date: June 7, 2020, 1:33 pm
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> And that is my concern. If thousands can be allowed to crowd
together unchallenged to protest this weekend (and I've no views
on the validity of the protest), then why should we not suppose
that a few hundred or more Liverpool fans will gather late night
on Wednesday 24th June when their PL title is confirmed after
the game v Palace?
>
--- End Quote ---
Did you see the sheer volume of people crowded on beaches over
the bank holiday weekend? The damage was done well before this
weekend, in all honesty. Our local R rate has gone up to over 1
as a result. If they didn't enforce large volumes of people
congregating whilst the lockdown was still supposedly in full
force, they're not going to do it now.
#Post#: 17844--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
DIR By: ajb95
Date: June 8, 2020, 3:29 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
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> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=1491.msg17836#msg17836
date=1591538655]
> And that is my concern. If thousands can be allowed to crowd
together unchallenged to protest this weekend (and I've no views
on the validity of the protest), then why should we not suppose
that a few hundred or more Liverpool fans will gather late night
on Wednesday 24th June when their PL title is confirmed after
the game v Palace?
>
--- End Quote ---
Did you see the sheer volume of people crowded on beaches over
the bank holiday weekend? The damage was done well before this
weekend, in all honesty. Our local R rate has gone up to over 1
as a result. If they didn't enforce large volumes of people
congregating whilst the lockdown was still supposedly in full
force, they're not going to do it now.
[/quote]
But it was impossible to enforce since the beginning. Unless you
have soldiers/ police on ever street then people always had the
freedom to do as they please. And they are now realising that
#Post#: 17849--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: June 8, 2020, 9:46 am
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Such is the intrinsic selfishness of some people that they are
unable/unwilling to see that this isn't just a gamble they are
taking with their own health. It is reckoned that perhaps over
50% of people contract Covid 19 asymptomatically. I can just
hear the moronic argument of " I went to a crowded beach, joined
a protest etc and didn't catch anything and remain perfectly
well " while said individual has transmitted the disease to
someone who then fights for their life in hospital.
I am sure everything possible good protocol has been put in
place to start professional football but if there is a
transmission this way and somebody gets very sick, or perish the
thought, a worse outcome, then there will be a rush on the part
of those who took the decision to find a hiding place and say '
not my fault'
#Post#: 17854--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
DIR By: Badger
Date: June 8, 2020, 10:58 am
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When do we think appointments will come out? Imagine they will
wait for Officials to be tested then see what they working with!
#Post#: 17855--------------------------------------------------
Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
DIR By: bmb
Date: June 8, 2020, 11:48 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=1491.msg17842#msg17842
date=1591554801]
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=1491.msg17836#msg17836
date=1591538655]
> And that is my concern. If thousands can be allowed to crowd
together unchallenged to protest this weekend (and I've no views
on the validity of the protest), then why should we not suppose
that a few hundred or more Liverpool fans will gather late night
on Wednesday 24th June when their PL title is confirmed after
the game v Palace?
>
--- End Quote ---
Did you see the sheer volume of people crowded on beaches over
the bank holiday weekend? The damage was done well before this
weekend, in all honesty. Our local R rate has gone up to over 1
as a result. If they didn't enforce large volumes of people
congregating whilst the lockdown was still supposedly in full
force, they're not going to do it now.
[/quote]
But it was impossible to enforce since the beginning. Unless you
have soldiers/ police on ever street then people always had the
freedom to do as they please. And they are now realising that
[/quote]
That was the big difference between issuing guidelines and
expecting/trusting people to use common sense & bringing in
laws!
When Hungary was still in full lock down the only people you saw
on the streets were the Rendőrség and military. If you were
dumb enough to step outside your front door they were on you in
seconds! People weren't dumb enough because the Rendőrség
are not a nice cuddly police force like the UK ones are. I like
the Rendőrség myself and have never had a problem with them
at all but they look very scary. Key workers had to have an
official confirmation email for every shift they worked, if they
worked late they would have to get one authorising them to
travel home at a different time, you had to have an official
email granting you permission to go to the shop for essential
foods/medicines etc. They bought in laws not guidelines, it has
been relaxed to a mix of them now and Mr Orbán has announced the
plan to lift the state of emergency is being worked on and will
start to be implemented over the next few weeks, assuming there
is no second wave or a spike in numbers.
Other countries using laws not guidelines were also more
successful regarding lockdown compliance. Guidelines alone will
only work with the majority, there is a minority who think they
don't apply to them and the police were put in an impossible
situation, they can enforce laws but they can only advise
guidelines be followed.
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